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Also rounding out the cast in the half-hour comedy are: Jane Krakowski ("Ally McBeal") as Jenna Maroney, the other star of "TGS With Tracy Jordan"; Scott Adsit as Pete Hornberger, the variety show's producer; Jack McBrayer as Kenneth the Page, the over-eager NBC Page -- a highly sought-after, entry-level position with the network; and Judah Friedlander as Frank, the crass and wisecracking writer. Rachel Dratch, also from "Saturday Night Live," appears in multiple episodes, playing a variety of different characters on the series.

Dratch but no Dr Spaceman mention = heart, broken.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh snap, 40 (er more like 30+ commercials, whatever) minute episode!

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think 30 Rock has become my favorite show, though Dratch is my least favorite aspect of it. She's such a terrible actor, and it always seems like they're just trying to shoehorn her in so much of the time. Although I did enjoy her turn as the Blue Dude.

― Sparkle Motion, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, they also neglected to mention Ghostface! What's that mean? Mind grapes!

― David R., Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, c'mon... Dratch as the lesbian cat wrangler is amazing!

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

WILL ARNETT

― musically, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

"Blind Date" has been nominated for "Outstanding Individual Episode (in a series without a regular gay character)" by GLAAD. Good times.

― caek, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

those shoes are def. bi curious

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

i love all the quotes on this thread

what a show

― cutty, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I read that hours ago and for some reason assumed it referred to an episode of the show "Blind Date." But the question of a "regular gay character" is vexed by the ongoing half-joke with Twofer on that front!

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

you can now play "Marry, Boff, or Kill" on the NBC website:

http://www.nbc.com/30_Rock/games/MBKgame.shtml

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

i love how this show torrents so fast. one sign that it's popular?

― jergïns, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

wait this doesnt mean dr spaceman is gone does it?? he just wasnt mentioned cuz parnell doesnt reappear in other words a la dratch. er, right?

he has been away too long :(

― deeznuts, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

he was only ever in, like, 3 episodes, wasn't he? I remember 2 episodes with Dr. Spaceman and then another where he played a different character, but I may be wrong about that. Either way, I don't think of him as a regular like Dratch is, but then I'm still hoping he turns up in a good post-SNL project with a more prominent role. Dude's so underrated.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think his main function now is that any time anyone has any kind of medical problem, Alec Baldwin gets to say "have you called Dr. Spaceman?"

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

medical degree from the ho chi min school of medicine

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Or whatever.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah but if thats the case 30 rock needs more syphilis

― deeznuts, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

In that episode about Liz was being a bitch, what was it she called Twofer? A "gay x". What was x?

― caek, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

Carlton?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

sherlock homo

― and what, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. "Sherlock Homo is here to solve the case of the gay sweater". ZINGED.

― caek, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

yes!

― cutty, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7346/picture1yp8.png

― caek, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's a seriously ambiguous joke, actually -- first Jack says he's a Twofer because "he's a black guy ... and a Harvard guy," where you're expecting "gay," and then there are jokes like the gay sweater and the day he wants to go see Mama Mia. But in the episode where Jenna wants to get back at the writers using Her Sexuality, she totally tries it on him, and the only roadblock is that he can tell what she's doing. Possibly he's just the straight egghead who gets used as a slate for all gay-related jokes.

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

"He's not gay ... he's just stylish!"

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

fyi i wasnt expecting 'gay' in the initial black guy/harvard guy joke

isnt he all giddy when cerie says she'd marry him in boff marry kill?

― and what, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think he's supposed to be gay, or else "the case of the gay sweater" would be even more offensive.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

xpost--Yeah, but in Marry Boff Kill the marriage is sexless.

― max, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

What's your schedule mañana? Cuz this is gonna be ooone serious negosh.

lololol

― and what, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Really, E? I was expecting "gay" less because of anything having to do with the character, but just cuz that's where you'd expect the diversity twofer to lead. I mean, the joke certainly requires you to expect something other than "Harvard guy." But maybe I'm reading the joke backwards.

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Either way, I appreciate their using him for the kinds of jokes that would usually get pinned on some horrible "sassy" gay character (like the Mama Mia thing). (Actually the funny part there was just the look of total gratitude and excitement on his face when she said okay.)

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I have a seat reservation on the train home for Easter at 3PM BST tomorrow (17 hours). If I haven't downloaded the extra-length special before I leave, I am getting a later one, even if it does involve pre-Holiday commuting hell.

― caek, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I would totally expect "Harvard guy" for a member of a team of network comedy writers, especially when he was set up as the well spoken egghead prior to that scene.
xpost

― Bnad, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

How would that quality as a "twofer," though?

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Cuz if it's just "fulfills two categories of comedy writers," then it's not actually a joke. (And I'm pretty sure it was being presented as a joke.)

Actually nevermind, not worth parsing.

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Bnad otm. Because he's black, and he went to harvard, yannow, like Conan.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sure you will be able to dl this in 15 min, like, tonight, xpost

― rrrobyn, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, that is my plan

― rrrobyn, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, why not parse it: so if you interpreted it as a straightforward "he's black + he went to Harvard," did you not laugh at that line?

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

xpost, "Tonight" I should be in bed because it will be 2am here when it airs. How long after the show does it usually show up?

― caek, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

did you not laugh at that line?

not... really? It seemed expository. The joke was the flash cards, a minute later.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, it's funny that they need to fill two token comedy writer positions: black guy (gotta have one of those!) and harvard guy (hey, he wrote for the lampoon, he's elite).

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Huh. Given the contexts of his other introductions (scored 760 on the SAT / owns every issue ever published of Black Tail magazine / "has a thyroid problem"), I'm sticking with my joke reading!

</parsing>

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

no, you're right. but i think you lost me with:

Cuz if it's just "fulfills two categories of comedy writers," then it's not actually a joke.

sez who?

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well, sure, it can still function as a joke, but you know what I mean -- the more legitimate they are as categories, the less of a "joke" there is?

Anyway, I interpreted it as saying that he fills two diversity / minority categories (which is actually the only context where I've heard people called "twofers") -- "he's a black guy," and then you expect something along the lines of "and gay" (or similar), except you get "and a Harvard guy" instead. But whatever.

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

In fact the American Heritage Dictionary actually offers this as the third DEFINITION of "twofer": One who belongs to two minority groups and can be counted, as by an employer, as part of two quotas.

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://tweeak.cbstaff.com/TinaFeyPilot.pdf

P.S. hey look, here's the pilot script! The main character is named "Lisa Lemon," and she works on a show called "Friday Night Bits!"

― nabisco, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Friday Night Bits! LULZ

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

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