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Okay, I'm a moron. I played so much stud and draw poker when I was younger, it's hard to get used to Hold 'Em being the ubiquitous poker game now. D'oh!

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i've started playing on the nyc underground poker club circuit. so much fun! i'm up a hundred or so thus far.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

do you actually play poker on underground trains?

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

How does that work, Yancey? Is it real life poker? I'd be scared rigid, I think. Though a colleague is organising a casino night soon, and I want to be able to play poker there. Any and all tips appreciated, especially etiquette, betting processes etc.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

all the poker tables in casino seems to be stud poker

ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Even with the recent explosion in hold'em's popularity? I don't know how to play stud, so that's a no-no, but hold'em...

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay! I won my first $5 single-table tourney (thanks in part to a 2-pair SUCK OUT wherein yours truly got his pairs on the turn & river), AND also finished 13th in a multi-table tourney of 360+ people (thanks again to a river bail out). I am still down $200+ this weekend, though, but baby steps. The fact that I PLAYED WELL actually means more than the money - I think I had a little streak similar to what Mark described up thar.

I was trying Markelby's Guide To Poker Success (i.e. the single-table tourneys), but I think I'll stick to my original plan & enter the multi-tables. I get to play more hands (usually), it's a small investment that could potentially pay big, and it's more epic (which I think I've said before). And, given how I tend to play (one after another), it's MUCH CHEAPER. I had this running dialogue w/ a guy I sat w/ @ my first table - we ended up seeing each other two more times, once when there were 60-50 players left, and once when there were 20 left. We ended up sorta rooting for each other to make it - he got knocked out 3 folks before I did.

I had a RIDICULOUS run of cards early on - 3 or 4 pocket pairs meted out by AK or AJ or KQ suited or low suited connectors that lead to a flopped flush. Busting his balls about semi-bluffs pre-flop & such. Good stuff. Still kinda miffed about the J7 offsuit I folded that would've lead to a flopped full house (Js over 7s, natch), but whatever.

Chatting during tourneys is fun, too - I was at this friendly table for about 30 minutes, then (after a big win) I was switched to a table that was tighter than a machine-sealed pickle jar. Not one damn word at all. Maybe they were upset because I stormed in w/ more chips than anyone else sitting there (excepting, um, the chip leader @ the time).

Total winnings yesterday (after subtracting $$$ spent on one-and-done fuckery) = $12. WOOOOO!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

That's wicked, David. I personally find I can't give the time to the multi-table tourneys - even though I'm sure Sgs values her alone time as much as I do, I get antsy if I know she's sitting downstairs and I haven't had a chat or a smooch for an hour. I also have a subconscious idea that online poker *might* not be the most worthy and productive use of my time, and I'd feel too guilty if I did well in a multi and ended up still playing 5 hours after I started.

Maybe on the weekend I'll give over an afternoon to it. We'll see. I think I might be playing cricket instead, though.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Mark. Yeah, I spent about 3 hours playing in the tourney - of course, when the money was on the line, things REALLY slowed down (& not just because PokerRoom actually slows the game down when you're about to cross the $$$ threshhold). For what it's worth, you have 5 minute breaks every hour, so you can get a quick eskimo kiss in while you run off to the loo & refill your water glass / bottle of Boone's.

Also, I do "work" (listening to / taking notes on muzak) while pokering, so it's not entirely counter-productive. I think all my music writing $$$ has gone into my poker addiction, so it's only fitting I try and make money while losing it. (Jury's out on whether my writing has sucked crack pipes since I started the poker.) Anyway, I gotta do something when that inevitable run of crap hands [73 84 T2 96 J3] comes around. You could sneak off for a quick peck then, too.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I like 7 3 suited - nice small bet then pick them off one by one if the flop flops in your favour!

I'm interested that you say you work (and others have talked about what else they do while they're playing) during games. Does this mean that keeping an eagle eye on your opponents' every move isn't as necessary as I've been suspecting it might be? Certainly, the more attention I pay, the better I seem to do - one time when I got a phone call while playing, I was startled to realise I was playing almost as if drunk, so slapdash were my decisions.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i play real-life poker -- have for six or seven years. i play in a monthly tournament with about 50 people ($50 buy-in) and have a weekly game with friends for $20. we play hold 'em, omaha, 7-stud, anaconda, etc. through playing in a bunch of different games around the city, i started getting invited to these off-the-book clubs (a la kgb's in rounders) in the lower east side and upper west side. been playing no-limit tournaments (normally 50 or 60 players) and the occassional no-limit table game ($200 buy-in). i've been holding my own. i've seen a couple of "pro" players, though i haven't sat down with any yet.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, given my lack of success, maybe I SHOULD try focusing on the game more than my other stuff. But, yeah, I have my monitor resolution set high enough that I can put the poker window in the upper left corner & keep a small word processing window open in the lower right. If it's just raise-fold action, I don't bother watching too intently, but if the flop looks interesting, or if someone goes all in, then I pay attention, especially if I folded something somewhat playable.

I'm especially intrigued by players / asshats that raise big pre-flop if they're taken to the flop, to see how they handle getting called. Also, I open up the BIG chat window, so I can scroll back & see how hands went down if I missed some action. This is especially handy when nature calls.

Anyone use the right-click player marking thing? I'm not sure what it's for, but I THINK it's for note-taking, which would probably come in handy during a tourney. Of course, I'd probably just mark every better as a "BLUFF SUCKER", & then get burned. (I always think everyone raising pre-flop is bluffing.)

Re: attention - I won the single-table tourney right before I went to sleep. I was dead tired, I hadn't eaten any dinner (aside from a few pretzels), and I just didn't give a shit. Somehow, it worked out. Of course, I go downstairs to tell my roomy I actually won, and I nearly slip and fall and pull a groin muscle. Zzzzzz.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ow!

I use the right click stuff, a bit, but really judging someone on one game is risky unless they're obviously hopeless, so notes aren't much use. I used it a bit playing play poker about people who were assholes, though.

Yancey, you sound hardcore. I am scared of you.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard Yanc3 is gonna audition for the next season of Tilt. (haha "next season" I kill me)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.theasc.com/magazine/oct98/rounders/img1.jpg

"Mr. Son Of A Bitch, let's play some cards"

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

And tonight, I completely fuck up four tourneys in a row. Shit cards, shitter concentration, shittest tactics. AAARGH.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You need to drink more!

In other news, if I have pocket Qs, it's a safe bet SOMEONE has Big Slick, and they will get a K or A on the flop.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I've done it! I've won $100 in a week!

Not that impressive to some of you advanced hustlers on here, I know, but that makes the credit card debts a little lighter to look at.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice one Dom. I had a good weekend - $46 up thanks to two firsts and a third (in four low-stakes single-table tourneys) and a swift ring game in which I managed to win lots, lose lots and win lots again in three crazy hands.

This puts me, for the first time, MORE THAN $100 UP on my inital deposit. Go me!

Tonight, I am teaching two friends, separately, how to play Texas hold'em. I am childishly excited.

Updates y'all?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

grumble grumble grumble

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

David, what's up?

(p.s. you owe me an email - I want to buy Rock Cats tix! GO ROCK CATS!)

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, just the usual - getting hosed on bad plays either by me being stubborn or other folks getting lucky following through on the "chip and a chair" principle. Biggest problem - getting into a $10 rebuy tourney where I rebought AND bought more chips @ the end of the first hour, and got knocked out a few minutes into Hour 2. $30 gone poopy. Ah, me.

(pps - I will e-mail you tonight or tomorrow! sorry! THESE CATS ROCK!)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Rebuy tourneys always sound like a mare to me - if you have limited funds or limited time, then you're always going to lose to some deep-pocketed slacker who's happy to stay for 8 hours and spend $500.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

From the What The Fuck Dept. (a running series of posts where every single asstastic bad beat I experience will be documented, so the world can witness how shitty my luck is):

Get dealt pocket 5s, & a 5 pops up on the flop (w/ a J & K). I'm slow playing, because what the hell? Then a K on the turn, & I figure, a full house of 5s over Ks beats all suckers. Still slow playing. J flops on the river. 3 guys are in at this point - I've just been calling their bets. One guy bets $200, & I reraise 3x (to $600). 3rd guy folds, & the $200 bettor reraises all-in. I'm thinking, "even if he has KJ, I'm paying to see his shit," so I call.

HE HAD POCKET KINGS. I LOST TO FOUR OF A KIND W/ A FULL HOUSE. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

WTFD #2 AND #3:

AT suited. Two As flop. Woo hoo, 3 As, not much that can beat me. Other cards showing are a 4, 5, and J. Dude bets big after the river. I go all in (w/ more chips, so I'm not out if he beats me). Dude has Big Slick. I become perturbed, & am left with $295 in chips.

Next hand, I'm big blind, & about all in before betting, but, hey, pocket Ks lookin' good. Dude before me (table chip leader, 3rd or 4th in the tourney) calls, I raise all in, he calls, shows a 9T off suit, AND GETS A QUEEN HIGH STRAIGHT ON THE FLOP. I misspell WHATEVER & F*CK as I leave the table.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

From the Thank You Jeebus Dept: River Q gives me 3 of a kind, saves me from single-table tourney elimination.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

TYJ: I got two pair on the turn & river. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I love your contribution to this thread, Dave :)

I once again played 10 mins of a ring game and, once again, came out up ($19 this time). Which has left me wondering - does playing tourneys give you soem kind of discipline, or help you spot good hands, that playing in ring games doesn't? Or have I just got lucky? Cos at the current rate, I could use $0.25 ring games to pay my mortgage ($32 earned in less than half an hour's play in total).

I guess two samples isn't really enough to use for statistical purposes. But it's looking good.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

In limit, ring games are basically finding a game where the bad players outnumber the good ones, and then just waiting for your hands to come in. I'd imagine in no limit it's a bit more of a crapshoot.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)

No limit $0.25 games seem to be where all the beginners end up. Beginners tend to be either super-literal with their betting, or ridiculously maniacal bluffers. Or they're just clueless. Either way, they seem pretty easy to pick off - substantial (but not all-in) raises scare them rigid, by and large (the "Chris Venuti tactic" as I call it, seeing as that's how he won lots of money off me when I first started), and there's a lot of betting to the river with second pairs and the like - a genuinely strong hand will not only win, but it'll win the cash of all the people who should have folded after the pocket cards or the flop, but carried on blindly.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I had good luck w/ ring games @ first, & then lost whatever touch I had developed - hubris forbids me to say it was my own fault, so I'll say it was bad beats whut got me.

I feel my technique is improving, despite my constant run of bad luck. This improvement is most evident in my post-bad-beat demeanor - after only a few mintues of ranting and raving, I'm ready to re-enter the fray.

I do have to watch my in-game chatting, tho - when I'm astrugglin', my tendency is to get really flustered when some asshat raises big pre-flop more than a couple of times during one go-around, & I get all "yeah yeah keep on trying it, big boy. One guy did this pre-flop AND post-flop (after an AK flopped - I had 2 Ks), & I folded incredulously after the flop raise. & then he flashed his pocket AK before the next hand. Yep.

FWIW - I did use the Note operability to mark someone as a "bluff sucker" last night.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I use the note-feature to list players who will chase miracle cards on 5th street. These people are idiots and deserved to be hustled out of every game they play in.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF #4:

QJ offsuit. Flop & turn reveal an open ended straight draw for yrs truly - need a 9 or an A on the river. (The other 2 cards, BTW = 2 6s.) Turn = A. I am good. Other guy betting goes all in. I call. Eat my fuc? NO! Dude has A6, & wins w/ a full house!

According to Dom, I got what I deserved. :(

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I played a full two hours in a $.25 - $.50 ring game last night, and finished 40 cents down. I don't know how to feel.

(I was teaching a mate how to play - he mnaged to hold his own for a while, play sensibly, win a few hand,s then threw away $20 in one go with one of the most foolish hands I've ever seen! Made me feel better in a way. My bad?)

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Schadenfreude is the true reward of the talented poker player.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I am posting on here as I am well and truly on tilt and I can't seem to do ANYTHING to stop this massive slide. I am currently SIXTY-ONE DOLLARS DOWN this weekend playing ring games. I just don't get it - I was either good (lucky?) or perfectly competent enough to play for hours without losing money.

I think I am becoming genuinely resentful (TILT TILT TILT) at my bad luck. I keep thinking over and over the mistakes I made, what I should have done to rectify them, and it all makes sense - until I sit down at a virtual table. My opponents seem to have vast reservoirs of luck - in the entire time I've been playing, I have had 2 lucky breaks, including my first four of a kind, and that's it. Pocket rockets, I bet aggressively against a guy with a FUCKING 2 AND 7 SUITED. Of course, he makes a flush on the river.

So anyway, I'm now folding anything that doesn't look fantastic, and I think I've lost it.

Help?

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Holy shit, since writing this I won one hand ($1.45 profti, woo), then threw away twice that much on both the next two hands, both times with fuck all yet I went to the showdown.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Step away from the computer, breathe, then come back.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it a good thing I've only lost $4 since my last post?

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure, you're good for a few days at that pace -- it's only $8 an hour. Have fun.

Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark, I'm sorry - my bad luck's rubbed off on you! Yeah, take a break, snuggle w/ your SO, stay away from any sorts of card-looking things.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I got taken out by a flop straight early on today anyway, and I kept raising him beacuse of my 3 queens. Stupid stupid stupid.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Dom, Imagine doing that, but TWO DOZEN TIMES. Welcome to my weekend.

David, I guess my winning streak was too good to be true anyway. Or maybe, for some reason, I can do tourneys but not ring games. Ah well.

$82 down this weekend. So far.

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I've started playing my first tourney in a week, and it's like immediately I've gone back to my old mindset, which is PLAY FAR FEWER HANDS. Can it really be that simple?

(I haven't won the tourney yet, far from it, but my mindset is just totally different. Weird)

Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Tonight I lost $1 in a ring game, and lost $1 in two tourneys (finishing 5th and 3rd). This feels like a fucking huge triumph after the weekend. Believe me.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, tonight's tiny loss takes my 3-day deficit into three figures.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i introduced my friend from uni to pokerroom and he mopped up $400 in 3 hours (he studied this in his computer science dissertation)

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't played in almost a month, internet or home games.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

we all should have a game again soon.

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Woohoo - played in a tourney w/ a $5.00 buy-in, & finished 7th out of 220+! Won $49! Woohoo! But the cockfarmer that took 10 minutes to call every single hand managed to last longer than me! Boo! I guess I was "lucky", but I'm not sure it's "luck" when you have the percentage advantage in a hand, and you actually WIN THE HAND more often than not. I don't think I had one bad beat in the tourney (tho I did chase after an A late, & that set me back).

Markelby: if you happen to be reading this, I will give you a call re: Friday's game tomorrow evening!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)


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