2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

i think the press has completely boxed obama in until the next primary. if he does not swing back he is weak and not experienced and doesn't belong at the big kid's table. if he does swing back it is politics is usual, he is no kinda transcendent figure. the best he can hope for is planting -- through kennedy, through some far-flung ally -- some negative hillary pieces in the press. he has to turn them back on her, because he honestly can't afford to be viewed as someone callous or malicious. it damages the image too much.

THANK FUCKING GOD SOMEBODY SAID IT xp

WTF, Sen. Clinton? She'll happily damage Obama's chances against McCain in the General Election if he's the nominee, to preserve her chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

I'm not so worried about Obama being boxed in, Yancey. I want him to fire back. I analogize it to Rocky 2, where Rocky is hemming-and-hawing about fighting Apollo Creed, largely because Rocky's wife doesn't want him to. Finally, when she regains conciousness -- from what, a coma, I think? -- she says: "Fight, Rocky, fight!" Everyone cheered, despite Rocky's earlier, understandable reservations. He wins, and is still the same good man he was before! SO FIGHT, OBAMA, FIGHT.

I think it's a fucked-up thing to say but I don't see how will it hurt Obama much in the general, if he wins the primary. is McCain gonna quote Hillary Clinton for an applause line? "Hillary says I have an experience edge!"

more on the SUSA numbers

here too

this whole thing blows goats. i just want obama to win.

The Insane Vote For McCain

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/BillAyersMugshot.jpg

i like this look

She'll happily damage Obama's chances against McCain in the General Election if he's the nominee, to preserve her chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

You know, Obama ran ads in South Carolina saying Hillary would say anything to get elected, had his surrogates out there deliberately painting Bill's comment about Obama/Iraq as a "fairy tale" as racist, accusing Hillary of somehow intentionally denigrating MLK, had Jesse Jackson Jr asking after NH why Hillary didn't cry over Katrina, recently pushing the (false!) accusations from Drudge (!) that the Clinton campaign was sending out that photo.. This stuff is poison, and they know it, and it's dividing the party like nothing else, and they've been doing it for months.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/9405/thumbs/r-MCCAINHIL-large.jpg

ok like whoa he is making the exact same face in the top left and bottom right

theyre discussing their shared love of scarfing

Hillary has to know that this Florida/Michigan shit is divisive and fatal. If she gets the nomination by winning PA and persuading superdelegates, I'd view that as legitimate, even if Obama is ahead in pledged delegates after Puerto Rico. But if she gets the nom by having the FL and MI delegates seated (without a revote) I will vote for McCain--because Arizona should have a Prez already, kidz!

recently pushing the (false!) accusations from Drudge (!) that the Clinton campaign was sending out that photo..

maybe they should have denied it was them out the gate?
also what are you basing (false!) on exactly? because you really want to get health care hillary's camp wouldn't circulate that image like they did circulate the muslim rumor in iowa?

had Jesse Jackson Jr asking after NH why Hillary didn't cry over Katrina

its a good question. maybe she should reconsider her next bit of political theater for something that isn't about her own ambitions

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp

Samantha Power comes off as so patronizing in this article.

You know, Obama ran ads in South Carolina saying Hillary would say anything to get elected,
true, she'll DO anything to get elected, but she won't SAY anything. Obama's a liar!

had his surrogates out there deliberately painting Bill's comment about Obama/Iraq as a "fairy tale" as racist,
this is the first i've heard Obama had anything to do with anyone claiming that line was racist. If it's true yeah that's bad form.

accusing Hillary of somehow intentionally denigrating MLK,
oh plz, she said the line, context was known, that's fair political play

had Jesse Jackson Jr asking after NH why Hillary didn't cry over Katrina,
HAD JESSE JACKSON? show me the memo. besides, her tears were just about the most despicable act of hubris in this whole sordid circus.

recently pushing the (false!) accusations from Drudge (!) that the Clinton campaign was sending out that photo..
she wouldn't even categorically deny that her ppl didn't send out the photo. I watched the interview where she said (paraphrasing) "I didn't personally know anything about it. I'm sure people in my campaign wouldn't have released it. I don't know where it came from".

This stuff is poison, and they know it, and it's dividing the party like nothing else, and they've been doing it for months.

-- daria-g, Friday, 7 March 2008 01:08 (13 minutes ago) Link

here you forgot to signal you were suddenly talking about Hillary's campaign. otherwise it reads like you're batshit! just a heads up to proofread posts next time.

Cosmo you may want to invest in your own dictionary before accusing anybody else of needing to proofread

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside-US-poll-battle-as.3854371.jp

Samantha Power comes off as so patronizing in this article.

-- 31g, Thursday, March 6, 2008 7:49 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

anyone find it odd that they quote 'this is off the record'

uh, the proofread thing was a joke.

your functional illiteracy is not, or at least it isn't funny to me

i cant believe a hillary fan would honestly argue that obama is dividing the party and hillary isnt. no one was arguing from this side that hillary was 'dividing the party' until it became obvious that she would never overtake the delegate count

but please NEVERMIND I'm not actually here! fuck this thread!!! aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh

im not even saying i agree that hillary is 'dividing the party' more than obama, although i have to say its a tempting perspective. but the notion that somehow you can live in a world where obama is the more divisive candidate is fucking nuts

or you could consider the perspective that there are many more obama supporters who absolutely refuse to vote for hillary should she win (see this thread) than there are hillary supporters who've said they're going to put a republican in office if obama gets the nod. Oh my god I can hear the gears turning from here, stop.

I mean if you really mean actually divisive in a way that genuinely hurts the party's chances to win in November, Obama and his GOP supporters have basically got that all sewn up. Sometimes it helps to stop reading blogs and think for a minute!

that has nothing to do with what daria was calling divisive. and perhaps Obama supporters are increasingly hesitant to vote for her in a GE because of the game she's played against what many believe to be the best viable candidate in a generation. even if that's true, that's hardly his fault.

yeah obviously the task of the non-best candidate as determined by you is to roll over and go home. that's what democracy does.

who the fuck said that? of course it's her job to stay in the race. doesn't mean it won't engender huge amounts of ill-will if she wins the nom.

yes how divisive of him to bring in more new voters to the political process

gimme a break tom

perhaps Obama supporters are increasingly hesitant to vote for her in a GE

and this is some kind of snake pussy bullshit to read on a board where several posters have stated that they fully intend to vote for fucking MCCAIN if the nomination doesn't go to Obama

when they talk about how obama supporters won't vote for hillary its not like shakey mo cuz he's bitter or something, they're talking about GOPers and independents and young people that otherwise wouldn't be touching hillary

and this is some kind of snake pussy bullshit to read on a board where several posters have stated that they fully intend to vote for fucking MCCAIN if the nomination doesn't go to Obama

-- El Tomboto, Thursday, March 6, 2008 8:37 PM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i said i wouldn't vote for hillary because of her fucking war vote and i think that her retarded ass vote to send ppl i know to iraq is more fucking divisive, ok???

^^^^madd

this whole thread is maddddd

this 'lets be evenhanded about this!' thing is totally fox news-esque

there's like 2 ppl on this thread who said outright they'd vote for McCain.

good I'm glad to hear that, I was worried we hadn't quite come full circle.

or you could consider the perspective that there are many more obama supporters who absolutely refuse to vote for hillary should she win

these people are called independents. recent polls suggest that there are more democrats who would not vote for obama than not vote for clinton.

Last I saw both were hovering around 30%

recent polls suggest that there are more democrats who would not vote for obama than not vote for clinton.

-- gabbneb, Thursday, March 6, 2008 8:47 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ughhhhhhhh

there are many more obama supporters who absolutely refuse to vote for hillary should she win (see this thread) than there are hillary supporters who've said they're going to put a republican in office if obama gets the nod

Do you have anything beyond the antecdotal here, Tom? Every poll I've seen suggests the number of "no, FUCK that candidate, I'll vote McCain" people is about the same for both.

my anecdotal collection. note that this consists of about a dozen people, similar to most national phone polls, and includes people who do not have a land line or who are on the do-not-call list

I firmly stand behind my made-up statistics. At least they're mine.

god you're a douche.

at least I know what "surrogate" means.

had his surrogates out there deliberately painting Bill's comment about Obama/Iraq as a "fairy tale" as racist,

this is the first i've heard Obama had anything to do with anyone claiming that line was racist. If it's true yeah that's bad form.

if that's about this, she said HAD HIS, as in he pushed it.

awww u guys come on

yeah, this is pointless. i'm gonna go watch another bond flick and fondly remember when the cold war brought us all together.