Disney's newest movie FROZEN, loosely based on The Snow Queen

Yeah, I appreciate all that stuff as the father of a daughter (xp) but at the same time I wish the female characters could do all that stuff while also not having grapefruit-sized eyes and stringbean-sized arms

The vid for the song has like 205M+ views on YT so far.

it just feels like there's still something very diminishing about the way the women are portrayed in these ostensibly modern strong-woman stories

tbf I could say the same thing about Girls (in a metaphorical sense - obvs they have normal sized eyes and arms)

i don't even have fully formed thoughts on this but something really bothers me about second-guessing why so many omg girls like this movie

like

i kind of want to just yell MAYBE IT ISN'T FOR YOU or something idk

it's kind of making me crazy but i can't really articulate any of it because I'm still feeling like a corny goob so

That is one of the odder things, like yeah, the plot and character designs are heading in completely opposite directions.

would have been an easier thread/stronger plot to maybe have focused more on elsa and make it a real inversion of the disney evil queen trope imo, as was we only got ten mins of her here and ten mins of her there and the rest was snapshots from other disney movies (oh look! that horse (again) oh look! quaint quasi-natives with a refreshingly detached outlook (again) oh look! our protagonist (gender irrelevant) has fallen in love in ten mins (again) BUT WAIT it was a TRICK oh look! tho it's ok she fell in love with another stranger instead, this time it took a whole night and he was a weird guy lived in the woods by himself oh well that's ok too i guess oh look! we've got conflict between siblings/friends that didn't make any sense but oh look! it got sorted there just before the end and we've all learned eh something.

My daughter's obsession with Frozen in general and Let It Go in particular led me to write something about it the other week:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/apr/10/frozen-let-it-go-disney-hit-adolescent-lgbt-anthem

Nice d/n resonance too

xp Well after spending a few days stuck together going through a whole lot of dramatic events it's not really that unusual for people to develop feelings and kiss (he even asked permission!), and they didn't get engaged this time. Don't know why the siblings/friends conflict doesn't make any sense to you. And the story's moral of 'hey maybe locking away and keeping in check whatever makes you special or not like others is not the greatest idea' seems obvious enough and that works pretty well for me.

Nice essay DL!

Elsa's journey is an interesting one. Scared of power leads to fuck you guys I got power which leads to I got power but lets not be a dick about it is a really strong and interesting moral and seems somehow more complex than the "be true to yourself" Shrekitudes I expected.

I had problems with her power. So, it's so powerful she can't control it, almost kills her sister, sends the village into eternal winter, OK. Never mind the fact that that seems like just the sort of thing you should lock away, when she finally snaps she seems to have no prob focusing her power enough to build a Fortress of Solitude and snow monster. Also, where did the power come from? Is she just a mutant? Deus ex trolls never quite explain. It's definitely more complex than "be yourself" because it's never quite explained. Is the problem not being able to control it? Is the problem suppressing it? Is the problem not loving her sister? Loving her too much? Suppressing her love so that she won't kill her?

I bet my daughter would have a great time watching Doc McStuffins with you guys.

i don't even have fully formed thoughts on this but something really bothers me about second-guessing why so many omg girls like this movie

I don't think I'm "second-guessing" anyone else's liking it so much as just saying I didn't like it?

I mean there's just my "I personally didn't like it" level of not liking it, and then there's the more abstracted level of imagining what kind of messages I would like my daughter to get about women from movies in the future. The latter isn't really a big deal when it comes to a single film -- people get lots of different messages from lots of different kinds of media, and one movie doesn't make much difference, but since it's being touted as being some kind of great leap forward in the portrayal of women in Disney movies I guess I am kind of questioning that. But I certainly wouldn't "second-guess" anyone for liking it -- not everything has to send the right message.

there are things are not very good and yet achieve massive popularity

there are also things which become culturally inescapable for a moment or two and then prove not to be epochal

there are also things which are really well marketed product which manage to incorporate their defense on nominally progressive grounds into their appeal as product

kind of an undignified move to swipe the climax from brave, though

weird, my daughter saw this movie with my mom and yet I have never heard this song

Holy shit! We have a friend whose young child is dying of cancer (which is of course horrible and heartbreaking). But she knows someone who knows Kristen Bell, and Bell not only called up her child as Princess Anna, but had Josh Gad call as Olaf, too! It's making me weepy even typing this. What an incredibly generous thing for them to do.

Awesome!

wow, that is fantastic!!!

omg

Awes

Aw man, that is so wonderful!

fwiw this movie has grown on me, if only by force. Good story, a lot of nice animation even though I still think the characters' faces look off, and even though the music has an irritating broadway sheen, the songs are very clever. Anyway, I have no choice! I have a two-year-old daughter.

MAKE IT STOP! MAKE IT STOP!

Over and over again in my head:

Anna: Actually we're not!
Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?
Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!
Elsa: What do I not know?
Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!

I enjoyed the second half a lot more, when they seemed to have got most of the singing out of their systems.

There is no relative greater or lesser "enjoyment" for me, it is simply the fabric of my waking hours

thank god my niece is a Scooby Doody kinda gal

watched it for the first time at the weekend. loved it. some of the songs are maybe a little bit by the book - quite deliberate rip of "Defying Gravity" mainly. people who hate musicals are disgusting savages tbh.

some of the animation set-pieces/painterly stills are tremendous too

and now away again before the curmudgeonly goths gather

meh. I love musicals so less of yr blanket slurs.

obv then i wasn't referring to you

thought you liked this anyway?

Over and over again in my head:

Anna: Actually we're not!
Elsa: Whaddya mean you're not?
Anna: I get the feeling you don't know!
Elsa: What do I not know?
Anna: Arrendelle's in deep deep deep deep SNOOOOOOW OHHHH OHHHHHHH!

Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2) wrote this at 2014-06-17 02:05:18.000

Right there with you on this one.

Sometimes it's just a loop of "The picture of so-PHIS-tuh-cay-tehhhhd grayyyyyyce"

I've watched this like 10 times, but I just realize last night that when Elsa leaves Arandelle, she's running on foot across ice, then Anna chases after her like five minutes later on a horse, but the next thing we know, Elsa's on top of the North Mountain and it takes Anna most of the movie to catch up to her. Weird timeline glitch.

Well, she loses the horse, wanders around for a while in the cold, getting chased by wolves probably set her back a few.

But it seems like she should have caught up before any of that happened. Like in a couple of minutes.

iirc tho she was an ice queen by then so probably surfed her way up the mountain iceman style

also, anna is mocked for wanting to marry man she has just met, ends the film in love with 2nd man she has just met (like 24 hours later).

this will have been noted upthread

Well Anna is mocked for planning to marry Hans immediately, which is different from being in love with someone.

There's a lot of time/space stuff that doesn't make sense to me in the movie. But yeah, we're probably just underestimating Elsa's magical icy steez.

The biggest problem in the plot was when they kinda just decided that Hans was evil. Seemed really badly done.

the thing that bothered me most was what elsa was gonna eat while she hid out in her ice castle

snow cones duh

the one thing