Another one for the crazy file: recently learned that if you pre-combat destroy your opponent's creature that has a Bestow guy on it, that Bestow creature can attack that turn as long as it wasn't played just that turn. Same principle that allows Mutavault to attack even though it wasn't a creature at the start of the turn.
yeah people mess this up all the time - i actually won a game at gp toronto because my opponent killed my bestowed creature at the beginning of combat instead of during, allowing me to attack for lethal with my previously bestowed creature
i am really, inordinately excited for this prerelease and im not sure why
― dude (Lamp), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
so looks like there are magical 15 god packs
― iatee, Friday, 25 April 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
elf-like edh player ears are perking up as we speak
― iatee, Friday, 25 April 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
In a kind of repeat of the BNG prerelease, I ended up with a pool today that didn't have any crazy money cards but did allow me to build a really consistent deck with a low curve and lots of tricks. I managed not to lose a single game, which is an extremely rare occurrence for me. Here's my deck:
Loyal PegasusHopeful EidolonFavored HoplitePharika's ChosenGnarled ScarhideTriton ShorestalkerSpirit of the LabyrinthBloodcrazed HopliteOreskos SwiftclawEagle of the Watch (foil)Master of the Feast x 2 - I ended up with a third copy after prizes, don't know if it will see action in standard, but it was a backbreaker todayDoomwake GiantSentry of the Underworld
Traveler's AmuletGods WillingAerial FormationOrdeal of HeliodVoyage's EndPharika's CureBanishing LightNightmarish EndSudden StormDictate of Heliod
Temple of DeceitUnknown ShoresSwamp x6Plains x6Island x2
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Sunday, 27 April 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link
I had a sweet Orzhov control deck with Athreos, Underworld Coinsmith, Grim Guardian, white Promo, Hopeful Eidelon, Sun-Guide. Felt like Extort all over again. Scholar of Athreos would have been insane, but I didn't drop a game all day anyway. Traded off my Athreos because it's like $30 right now and I don't think it's gonna get a lot of Standard play. Even the deck that wants it probably wants 1-2.
― Vinnie, Monday, 28 April 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
btw Athreos was useless in my control deck and I knew he would be but I felt compelled to play him anyway because I could. I did make him active one game but my opponent had a 6 toughness blocker.
― Vinnie, Monday, 28 April 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
we all knew this day was coming - MTGO v3 is going to be shut off for good in July, so the Beta Client is going to be the norm
i did a few more drafts on it to see if it felt any less clumsy but holy cow, it's still terrible, disorienting, really laggy, and unweildy in ways that such a complex card game need not be.
― frogbs, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
my new pc only has beta installed so far since i've been taking a break but i wanted to check my collection without waiting on a lengthy install (beta installs in like 10 seconds somehow), i think i'm just gonna roll with it since i might as well get used to it
― ciderpress, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
after the big stability update they did a few months back, beta actually runs faster for me now than v3 which is at least a small upside
i think the main issue remaining is that the interface is too cluttered & disorienting (especially on the collection screen; i think the play scene is not too bad anymore on a big monitor) and it's shipping without the customization options to hide interface elements that would relieve this
― ciderpress, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
I'm not gonna say it's the worst thing ever but it really doesn't feel "months away" - there are tons of little things that should be done, and not just subtle things to make the gameplay more intuitive, but like, big, glaring flaws, indicative of a company that's not Beta testing at all or just not listening to the people who are.
― frogbs, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
i do kind of wish they'd retained some of the look&feel of 90s PC RPGs that v3 kind of has going on as a stylistic choice, it was always pretty endearing & nostalgic
― ciderpress, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
Cast into Darkness is the 6th lowest-ranked card in Journey on Gatherer - it is just me or is that one of the 10 best commons?
― frogbs, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
is that the -2/-0 cant block enchantment? cuz i agree that card is really solid
i just went through a very big move and bought a new computer and found out i can only run mtgo beta (v4?) on it so i havent really bothered installing it again. ive also had a tonne of non-magic stuff to do but was suddenly struck with the urge at work today to play, it was... potent
― dude (Lamp), Friday, 9 May 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
yeah. I did my first full block draft and went 4-0 thanks to that card (though more thanks to the 3 Gray Merchants I got) I had a difficult time convincing anyone else it was good but every time I played it it would up being more or less straight removal.
― frogbs, Friday, 9 May 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
I had one of those in my king macar + 2 mastiffs, pain seer, eidelon of countless battles, herald of torment deck tonight
― iatee, Saturday, 10 May 2014 03:45 (ten years ago) link
so Khans of Tarkir, a Mongol invasion block with lots of dragons? interesting...
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 19 May 2014 13:37 (ten years ago) link
I thought the deal was that dragons were extinct on the plane
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
that's true, but I suspect that you start out with lack of dragons leading right into a huge pile of dragons
― nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 19 May 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link
it's basically edh
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 13:43 (ten years ago) link
yeah you just know that 3rd set of the block is going to be 'AVR but for dragons instead of angels'
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 May 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link
Or maybe Rise of the Eldrazi but for dragons instead of Eldrazi
― Vinnie, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:10 (ten years ago) link
The block structure for the Huey-Dewey-Louie block is confirmed to be large-small-large, with some sort of twist. Saw some people speculating that the draft format might be Triple Huey, then Dewey-Huey-Huey, then Louie-Louie-Dewey (or some permutation of that). I'm all in favor of shaking up the draft format more often.
― Vinnie, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link
I am very amused by this:http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/avatars/58/49/635359304940832485.png
so...does the pack have to be Conspiracy? or can you just bring one with you?
all I know is that this set is gonna be a staple for the Crazy Drafts (where you can bring any 3 packs you want) - its kinda like fantasy Cube + new stuff that would only work in this format. can't wait to play it and kudos to WoTC for even trying something like this.
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 19 May 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
it doesn't have to be a pack of conspiracy, no.
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link
though really this set works far enough outside the 'normal' rules of the game that you can just decide w/ the table how to interpret this stuff
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
I'm just hoping there are enough high-powered/money cards to make the set worth opening - without a decent amount of chase cards I can't see my LGS drafting this more than 2-3 times. Though I guess there's no real limit to what they can reprint here (Reserved List aside) so I would expect a few sought-after cards here.
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 19 May 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
Dack will be a chase card at the least
― Vinnie, Monday, 19 May 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
'conspiracy' will have foil swords to plowshares and foil brainstorms, so I imagine people will be pretty interested in opening boosters. curious to see what other vintage/legacy commons and uncommons they'll put in, foil bolts would also be nice and it would be sweet to have non-ftv foil hymns
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
feel like the ev will be pretty bad still w/ few to no standard/modern cards + no limits on the print run + lots of people who want to draft it but have little interest in the cards for legacy/commander
kinda just want to build a draft set (said everyone)
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
legacy and commander cards are a better pull than modern tbh, which (surprisingly) kinda feels like the most hardcore magic-nerd format going rn
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link
although I didn't realize this would be an open printing, kinda figured they'd do it like mma but its nice to think they learned a lesson there
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
legacy players are willing to drop money for sure, but I think the supply will just overwhelm the demand by a good margin. like, how many people really need that new planeswalker?
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link
is he even good? there are no viable legacy decks that could fit him in really, not that im an expert &c&c
like I said I think the big draw is reprints, particularly the existence of foil versions of duel deck/alternate art staples, they were pretty good about getting a lot of money uncommons into mma, i can easily imagine ponder, hymn, daze &c being in this set and that tends to make actually opening packs appealing to people
mostly though this just doesn't look like any fun to actually play, unlike mma
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link
i've thought about building a recyclable draft set for innistrad but i'm not sure if it'd be more or less fun to have than just building a cube.
i haven't done the math on how many copies of each common or uncommon you need to make reasonably realistic packs. for rares you just need 2 of each regular rare and 1 of each mythic and you're fine, but uncommons are real important to get the ratios correct on so that stuff like burning vengeance shows up at the correct frequency for it to be draftable some % of the time.
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
haha it's not aimed at your demographic xp
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
cider do you know the breakdown of rarity for the dfc in innistrad? tbh if you have all the rares and mythics it shouldn't be that hard to get a playset of uncommons and a double playset of commons from isd (i don't know if those are the right numbers either, i think its probably more like 3/6 but) to round out the set
in some ways getting to do 'throwback' drafts is actually more appealing than cubing to me
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link
somebody should start packaging draft sets and put them on ebay or something, I bet they would sell
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link
then they should give me one for having the good idea
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ISD-Innistrad-Complete-Set-Factory-Sealed-W-Mythics-/271488035661?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item3f35f2ab4d
jeez you could build a draft set for not much more than a box itself
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
I would imagine those foil prices would be insane. Foil Daze is still something like $120 even though it's a freakin' common. I'm positive I used to have a few too.
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
man i should redeem some of my full sets from wizards before they stop honoring them
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
damn m13 sets are pretty cheap maybe I should build one of those
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
i think 3x uncommons 6x commons would work fine but i wouldn't go lower, at least for recapturing innistrad it's real important to have the occasional draft where there are 3x rakish heirs or 5x delvers that all go to one person. the problem is that's close to 900 cards not including lands, which is a lot if you want to keep them sleeved.
― ciderpress, Monday, 19 May 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
the posts from 2003 in this thread are hilarious btw, less hilarious and more :/ is frogbs talking about selling underground seas for $15 or the ebay listing for an mp alpha black lotus (sold at $970)
― dude (Lamp), Monday, 19 May 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link
I agonized over buying a single Savannah for $10 back in the day, but went for it. That was the most I'd ever spent on a single card. Of course I was young enough that $10 was way more meaningful than it is to me now
― Vinnie, Monday, 19 May 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
re: Dack, he might not be good enough for Legacy but he's still a three mana PW with some powerful abilities. Should have lots of appeal for casual players, and Cube and Commander. I think he'll be a chase card at least in the short-term
― Vinnie, Monday, 19 May 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link
yeah all planeswalkers are chase-y for a while, I am sure he will be $20+ out of the gate..but he's kinda constrained the commander-demand by being two colors. he is a very strong turn 3 play in the format though.
― iatee, Monday, 19 May 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link
exploration and misdirection are in conspiracy, there's your money cards frogbs
man, i think everyone kind of just assumed exploration was on the reserved list since it's never been reprinted to date even as a promo
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 04:14 (ten years ago) link
while a lot of the "conspiracy" type cards have been kinda tame this one is incredibly amusing:http://mythicspoiler.com/cpy/cards/worldknit.jpg
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link
I wonder if they spent the time to balance that ability or just assumed it sucked but was funny.
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link