2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

yeah duh to anybody paying attention to the world outside of kos/this thread

HE'S A FALL GUY

redux:

http://obeygiant.com/images/2008/03/obama_shep_print_final2.jpg

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-clinton-final.jpg

Imagine if Hillary doesn't win Arkansas. (Yeah, she was the first lady once, but is now kinda looked upon as a carpetbagger.)

That would be a 268-270 victory for HRC.

its only march homies

BIG HOOS, Lord Steendriver

Hmm, Obama's having a rally in Columbus on Monday. Might have to go check it out.

Reporter: Senator, Howard Wolfson this morning compared Barack Obama to Ken Starr. How do you think he's acting like Ken Starr?

Sen. Clinton: Well, I'm not going to respond to that.

ohio? seems a bit late for that.

or really really early.

xp nice

hooray!

No, Columbus, MS, about 45 minutes away.

Sen. Clinton: Well, I'm not going to respond to that.

either her taking the high road or just letting wolfson do her dirty work for her. she is right to distance her self from this kind of hyperbole though

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At this point I don't think HRC could locate high road even with help of seret service agents and GPS. This is the kind of dirt that doesn't wash off its perpetrators.

Right now their behaviour is alienating every Dem under 40 who is not Chelsea Clinton.

3am ad of my dreams: the phone rings. HRC answers. "Uhhbaby, Ah think Ah'm in trouble again..."

Those maps are beautiful, maaaan.

if she's using her campaign officials to launch attacks, clinton definitely hazards being called to account for those attacks. i understand why she wasn't biting on the question since the staged event was focused on her ability to be commander-in-chief. but if the candidate doesn't follow up on an attack her campaign made when confronted with it, the attack doesn't gain any traction. if she does follow up, she gets the dirt on her hands.

hillary, echoing her reiterating her earlier points (so i guess this is gonna be one of her themes, then, huh?):

“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”

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ILXor Alfred?! Huh.

Yep.

"As far as I know."

infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room

haha, who the fuck are these reporters who judge a room's size like this?

haha srsly

this is kinda fucked, right? i know she's trying to indicate that she'll be more competitive against mccain, but still....

sorry messed up phrasing in my first line

hillary, echoing her reiterating her earlier points

hillary clinton '08: bigger than a breadbox

reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room

what a bizarre turn of phrase

boy it's crowded in here! this place is no bigger than an infant's bedroom!

xposts lol dammit

Kogan switching to political reporting.

On the lighter side, 'Why Jesus Lost the Nomination'...by Deepak Chopra.

i kind of agree w/ halperin ...

sure, but the characterization of obama "going negative" is pretty premature

email from mom:

Hi Kiddos and Obama fans:

Looks like the troops are stirring up every morsel of scandal that can be scratched out of the shallow dirt to discredit your man, Obama, today! I thought you all would be interested to know about Bill Ayers—now a prof at UI Circle campus. Evidently Obama has had some faint dealings with him in the past, and that has been in the news today and this week.

Ayers was one of the seven members of the “Weather Underground,” a group of extreme radicals who were genuinely terrorists, bombing sites throughout the US, seeking to completely subvert the US government. He turned himself in in 1981 and underwent few consequences for his actions.

The point of this is that your Grandmother and Grandad were very good friends with his family. His father, Bill Ayers, Sr. was president of Commonwealth Edison; his mom played bridge with Grandma and the couples frequently saw each other socially. I’m pretty sure they were at our wedding. I remember when the whispers of something going wrong with Bill Jr. at Michigan began, and recall so vividly the head-scratching and questioning, “What can we do?” That’s pretty much what parents of that era did as the social revolution rocked their family identities!

It looks like Ayers Jr. has found a satisfying career teaching on education at UIC, but it would not appear that he has altered his views significantly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_ayers

http://billayers.wordpress.com/

Thought this would interest you all!

Love to you today,

Moms

<3

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/How-Candidates_redo.jpg

As first lady, (Obama foreign policy adviser Susan) Rice argued, "you are not the person asked by the U.S. government to deliver tough messages or apply pressure. You're not the person who's responsible for the loss of life. You're not the person who has to make the sometimes recalcitrant bureaucracy deliver in the national interest."

via TPM:EC

i think the press has completely boxed obama in until the next primary. if he does not swing back he is weak and not experienced and doesn't belong at the big kid's table. if he does swing back it is politics is usual, he is no kinda transcendent figure. the best he can hope for is planting -- through kennedy, through some far-flung ally -- some negative hillary pieces in the press. he has to turn them back on her, because he honestly can't afford to be viewed as someone callous or malicious. it damages the image too much.

THANK FUCKING GOD SOMEBODY SAID IT xp

WTF, Sen. Clinton? She'll happily damage Obama's chances against McCain in the General Election if he's the nominee, to preserve her chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

I'm not so worried about Obama being boxed in, Yancey. I want him to fire back. I analogize it to Rocky 2, where Rocky is hemming-and-hawing about fighting Apollo Creed, largely because Rocky's wife doesn't want him to. Finally, when she regains conciousness -- from what, a coma, I think? -- she says: "Fight, Rocky, fight!" Everyone cheered, despite Rocky's earlier, understandable reservations. He wins, and is still the same good man he was before! SO FIGHT, OBAMA, FIGHT.

I think it's a fucked-up thing to say but I don't see how will it hurt Obama much in the general, if he wins the primary. is McCain gonna quote Hillary Clinton for an applause line? "Hillary says I have an experience edge!"

more on the SUSA numbers

here too

this whole thing blows goats. i just want obama to win.

The Insane Vote For McCain

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/BillAyersMugshot.jpg

i like this look

She'll happily damage Obama's chances against McCain in the General Election if he's the nominee, to preserve her chance of winning the Democratic nomination.

You know, Obama ran ads in South Carolina saying Hillary would say anything to get elected, had his surrogates out there deliberately painting Bill's comment about Obama/Iraq as a "fairy tale" as racist, accusing Hillary of somehow intentionally denigrating MLK, had Jesse Jackson Jr asking after NH why Hillary didn't cry over Katrina, recently pushing the (false!) accusations from Drudge (!) that the Clinton campaign was sending out that photo.. This stuff is poison, and they know it, and it's dividing the party like nothing else, and they've been doing it for months.

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/9405/thumbs/r-MCCAINHIL-large.jpg

ok like whoa he is making the exact same face in the top left and bottom right

theyre discussing their shared love of scarfing

Hillary has to know that this Florida/Michigan shit is divisive and fatal. If she gets the nomination by winning PA and persuading superdelegates, I'd view that as legitimate, even if Obama is ahead in pledged delegates after Puerto Rico. But if she gets the nom by having the FL and MI delegates seated (without a revote) I will vote for McCain--because Arizona should have a Prez already, kidz!

recently pushing the (false!) accusations from Drudge (!) that the Clinton campaign was sending out that photo..

maybe they should have denied it was them out the gate?
also what are you basing (false!) on exactly? because you really want to get health care hillary's camp wouldn't circulate that image like they did circulate the muslim rumor in iowa?

had Jesse Jackson Jr asking after NH why Hillary didn't cry over Katrina

its a good question. maybe she should reconsider her next bit of political theater for something that isn't about her own ambitions