Malaysia Airlines MH370

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the blackbox is giving off a sound wave, right? so many places are reporting an "electronic pulse" which I imagine would be highly attenuated in salt water, i.e. it's a waste of blackbox battery.

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 7 April 2014 01:24 (twelve years ago)

the australian navy dudes actually term it as an "acoustic event".

Brief summary of today's presser: US towed pinger locator detects signals consistent with those emitted by aircraft black boxes yesterday, in area of about 4,500m in depth. First signal lasted about 2 hours, the second about 13 mins. However, still cannot confirm that the signals were from MH370. Focus today is to reacquire signals before deploying the autonomous underwater vehicle (which has a depth limitation of exactly 4,500m) to map the ocean floor and search for signs of wreckage.

Roz, Monday, 7 April 2014 05:12 (twelve years ago)

Indeed, according to one highly placed oceanic scientist to whom I spoke recently, it is truly unbelievable: he believes, as do other independent scientists, that the Americans have known exactly where the flight crashed ever since it fell out of the skies; to reveal that they do so would be to endanger covert military information and the operation of underwater sonic arrays whose primary purpose is to detect such large objects in the oceans – in the shape of enemy submarines.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/08/mh370-bleeps-vast-depth-ocean-secrets-americans

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:28 (twelve years ago)

These underwater mountains and trenches remain the least unexplored places on earth

guess they don't have editors any more

sleeve, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:49 (twelve years ago)

the underwater mountains and trenches are so gentrified these days

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:04 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, I know exactly where the plane is too, but I'll only tell you if you know the secret masonic handshake.

The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:07 (twelve years ago)

your mom's mountains and trenches remain the least, etc

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:12 (twelve years ago)

perspective:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 03:47 (twelve years ago)

Some strange developments:

The Co-pilot attempted to make a mobile phone call shortly after the course redirection near Penang.

Citing new radar data, Malaysia military investigators are convinced the plane was flown deliberately low and fast over the Malaysian peninsula and carefully skirted Sumatra Indonesia's coastlines to evade radar detection.

Authorities believe acoustic pings from the black boxes have stopped due to battery fatigue.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:20 (twelve years ago)

Malaysian authorities deny the co-pilot tried to use his phone. They're mainly looking into the possible involvement of one or more passengers.

StanM, Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:26 (twelve years ago)

The government denies the call, but this leak of a lot of detail suggests otherwise:

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/call-traced-to-co-pilot-s-phone-1.562612

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:35 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

This is nuts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-georesonance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

o. nate, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:39 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, pretty crazy. Though, if it ends up being the missing plane, just another instance where private industry is usurping reliability of natl govts.

Dominique, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:44 (twelve years ago)

cmon how could that wreckage present distribution patterns that so closely mimic the intact plane unless it was gently lowered into the water? that makes no sense to me as an ignorant layperson.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:49 (twelve years ago)

you can't be ignorant of a subject and have a trustworthy intuition for it at the same time. so you shouldn't be too worried I guess. I certainly don't know what to expect. Everything is complicated.

the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:06 (twelve years ago)

Doubtful. For everything to be intact like that, MH370's captain would have had to pull off a Sullenberger-grade ditching. In the open ocean. In a much bigger plane. At night/early morning.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:23 (twelve years ago)

Good summary saying we know nothing. Registration required

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-the-theories-and-fantasies-about-mh370-398704/

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ANALYSIS: The theories and fantasies about MH370
By: DAVID LEARMOUNTLONDON
Source: Flightglobal.com 16 hours ago
The least unlikely cause for the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, based on what little is known about the final flight, is that a person with a sharp mind and a plan, but who was emotionally unbalanced, took control of the aircraft.

It could have been one of the pilots, or someone else on board who had the means to persuade the pilots, quietly, to depart from official cockpit security procedures. The best way of doing that would be for the individual to be known by – even friendly with – the pilots.

Cabin crew? Nobody knows, and there is certainly no direct evidence.

There is some circumstantial evidence for the Malaysian authorities’ belief that MH370’s ­disappearance was the result of “deliberate action by someone on board”. The most publicised bits of circumstantial evidence are the switching off of the ACARS ­technical datalink and then the transponder, followed immediately by a marked departure from the aircraft’s planned route ­combined with a sudden radio silence.

The “emotionally unbalanced person” theory is based on the fact that no one can imagine the motivation for masterminding what has happened, because no obvious purpose appears to have been served by it. But somebody who is suicidal or otherwise in a disturbed emotional state is not bound by normal logic.

Another argument for this theory is historical. There have been many cases in which pilots of aircraft carrying passengers have committed suicide by deliberately crashing the aircraft: a Silk Air Boeing 737 pilot, an EgyptAir 767 pilot, a Royal Air Maroc ATR 42 pilot, and last year a LAM ­Mozambique Embraer 190 pilot.

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An Ethiopian 767 was deliberately crashed in 1996
There is also a history of persons – other than the pilots – bringing aircraft down because they had a grudge against the airline or society: a Pacific Southwest ­Airlines BAe 146 in 1987 and an Ethiopian Airlines 767 in 1996. Then there was 9/11, where the perpetrators had a grudge against an entire country.

There is no record – yet – of someone sabotaging an ordinary airline flight for the purpose of killing a specific person or group on board, but the possibility – in a case as unusual as MH370 – must be a part of the investigation.

A conspirator with such a ­motive would have had a reason to want no one ever to find out what really happened, so the southerly flight path believed to have been followed by MH370 to an oceanic grave would have been a brilliant plan. The only trouble with this theory is that, like all the others, there is no direct evidence for it.

Sabotage, frequently invoked as a possible cause for an aircraft accident when no immediate explanation is available, has been mentioned less by the theorists in the MH370 case, on the grounds that, if it had been bombed, it would not have flown on for so long. Well, it might have done if the damage was limited to, say, ­creating a hole in the hull that would have caused a sudden decompression – and that could be a reason why everything went quiet over the Gulf of Thailand.

Returning to the theory of deliberate action, commentators have advanced many ideas as to how the perpetrator kept everyone on board quiet while carrying out his plan, including incapacitating them by deliberately depressurising the aircraft at high altitude.

These theories are guesses, but the deliberate decompression theory cannot be ruled out. Yet there is another less spectacular reason why the passengers would have been passive. If the pilots were the perpetrators or if the means of taking control was indeed quietly achieved, at 02:00 the passengers would have been sleeping or trying to sleep, not worrying about which way the aircraft was heading, and most would stay that way until dawn or beyond.

During the early part of the flight, while the aircraft was within range of land, the passengers would not have chosen to use their mobile phones unless they were aware of a risk to their lives, simply because they would have known their families would also have been asleep.

The theories invoking progressive damage by an onboard electrical fire are difficult to stand up, because fires are not sudden.

The existence of a fire is known by smoke, fumes or an alarm before it disables the ­aircraft, and pilot reaction in such a case would have been to put out an instant emergency call, which they did not do. ­Finally, a spreading fire would not have taken six hours to bring the aircraft down.

The theories – mostly involving conspiracy – about the aircraft having landed safely somewhere can be ruled out. Those who believe that it landed at the US base at Diego Garcia have clearly not used Google Earth to see how visible the aircraft would be if it were there – or indeed at the old UK Royal Air Force base on Gan in the Maldives, or other islands in the Indian Ocean.

If the calculated search position is wrong and the aircraft could have crashed on land, a jungle location anywhere within range of Kuala Lumpur remains implausible but possible. The question then would be why no country’s military radar detected such a penetration of their ­airspace, or why they are not ­declaring it.

Will MH370 ever be found? If it went into the southern Indian Ocean, probably not.

The facts are these: no floating wreckage had been found six weeks later. The accuracy of the satellite information on which the search area has been calculated is far from guaranteed, so the search team may not be looking in the right place.

It is hard enough finding wreckage in the deep ocean when the position where the aircraft went missing was accurately known, like Air France 447. In that case, floating wreckage was discovered within a couple of days, but it took two years to find the wreck on the sea floor even when the last known position of the aircraft was a fact in which the search teams knew they could have confidence, so the huge financial investment in looking for it was considered worthwhile.

But even if the search teams are looking in the right place, AF447 belly-flopped into the water at a vertical speed of about 120kt (220km/h), with very low forward speed, so the wreckage parts were quite large and thus easy to detect on the surface and on the seabed. Fortunately for the searchers, the main wreckage came to rest on a firm, flat plain on the seabed, among sub-sea ­mountains.

There is no evidence of how MH370 impacted the water, but if it hit the surface much faster than AF447 and with a nose-down ­attitude, the pieces would be smaller and thus more difficult to detect.

To add to the searchers’ ­difficulties, oceanographers ­report that the area of the seabed currently being scanned is very silty. ­Aircraft parts, ­especially heavy ones like ­engines, could sink into the silt, making detection by sonar even more difficult.

If parts from MH370 are ever found, it may be when seat cushions or other lightweight ­debris washes up on the shore of Australia or Antarctica.

Unfortunately, it looks as if this is the most probable scenario.

Meanwhile, airlines across the world may be facing a new regulatory mandate based on the lessons learned from the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Rockwell Collins’ chief executive Kelly Ortberg says.

The ongoing, six-week-old search for the missing Boeing 777-200ER in the South Indian Ocean has already prompted IATA to form an expert task force to consider options for tracking commercial aircraft.

“The task force will vet potential solutions to this problem and come up with some recommendation,” said Ortberg, speaking to analysts on 18 April. “So I do see a move upward to some sort of a mandated change here.”

Ortberg says he wants Collins – one of the world’s largest avionics and aircraft connectivity suppliers ­– to play a role in the IATA task force’s deliberations.

“We certainly have to think we’ve got some good things to offer,” Ortberg says.

The task force is planning to meet in May for the first time.

The task force is intended to take a comprehensive, global approach to responding to the MH370 disappearance, IATA director general and chief executive Tony Tyler said on 1 April.

“This is not the time for ­hastily prepared sales pitches or regional solutions,” says Tyler.

Flight MH370 – carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew – went missing on 8 March over the South China Sea between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing. The aircraft’s radios, transponder and automated datalink all stopped transmitting a few minutes after the crew bid farewell to Malaysia air traffic control coverage and before it was picked up by Vietnamese controllers.

Despite a confusing series of announcements by Malaysian officials, it was discovered by Inmarsat that a communications antenna on board the aircraft continued “pinging” a satellite although it passed no data.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:58 (twelve years ago)

That georesonance link is pretty wild, can't help but notice the location aligns with the arc of pinging from the Inmarsat satellite. Also vector of flying towards civilization lends more cred to hijacking theory.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:29 (twelve years ago)

the georesonance image is almost a little too otm, like the shroud of Turin or something. More inclined to believe it'll never be found but I suppose anything might occur.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:37 (twelve years ago)

man, the anguish the victims' families must feel... my heart goes out to them.

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:48 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

(CNN) - A Malaysia Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Interfax reported Thursday.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:33 (eleven years ago)

god how awful. interfax reporting it was shot down.

sktsh, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:39 (eleven years ago)

what the fuck

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

your best m7 (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

oh sorry

your best m7 (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:43 (eleven years ago)

Hoping to god this is just a coincidence.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:45 (eleven years ago)

this is a fucking nightmare

Roz, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:52 (eleven years ago)

a 777, 290+ onboard

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:53 (eleven years ago)

jesus :(

dem bow dem bow need calcium (seandalai), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:55 (eleven years ago)

I know we're all numb to war, but this is the 4th plane shot down over the Ukraine today... it just happened to be a passenger plane.

Why the fuck any ATC would route commercial flights over a warzone is beyond me.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:56 (eleven years ago)

According to the BBC the Ukranian interior minister's office have confirmed the plane was shot down.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:57 (eleven years ago)

sending good vibes to you and yours Roz

sktsh, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:58 (eleven years ago)

yep

i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:10 (eleven years ago)

Definitely.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:24 (eleven years ago)

Dreadful

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:27 (eleven years ago)

thanks all, still trying to come to grips with this. Not getting any sleep tonight... can see a long couple of weeks and a very subdued Eid ahead.

Roz, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:30 (eleven years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/Om9UHfX.jpg

A Dutch passenger of the plane posted this on his Facebook just before take off. The caption says: "In case it goes missing, this is what it looks like." Heartbreaking.

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:31 (eleven years ago)

Why the fuck any ATC would route commercial flights over a warzone is beyond me

^^^

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:33 (eleven years ago)

europe - asia flights pass over iran, afghanistan, iraq, etc.

caek, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:35 (eleven years ago)

that facebook post is just too much ..

this is so f*cked up

mark e, Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:44 (eleven years ago)

Leader of the separatists earlier claimed they shot down a Ukranian army plane. Turns out it was this one. This is beyond horrible.

In the airplane over the .CSS (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:48 (eleven years ago)

europe - asia flights pass over iran, afghanistan, iraq, etc.

― caek, Thursday, July 17, 2014 9:35 AM (14 minutes ago)

this isn't always true though, I had a flight routed around bosnia/croatia during the Bosnian war.

also i've only flown in and out of Dubai on a connecting flight but I was pretty sure we stayed over Saudi/the gulf and didn't enter Iran/Iraq airspace which was more direct.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 July 2014 16:57 (eleven years ago)

it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to reroute flights to pass north of the ukraine well away from the conflict area and then turn south, probably?

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:00 (eleven years ago)

this exact flight was about to fly over iran and afghanistan in a couple of hours. it happens all the time.

also it was flying at 10,000 ft, so well well beyond the reach of crackpots on the ground. i don't think it crossed anyone's mind that a ground military or air force would take down a civilian plane. (it's also not clear that's what happened fwiw, despite screenshots of cycrillic text that none of us can read being posted to twitter.)

caek, Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:02 (eleven years ago)

10,000 m sorry

caek, Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:03 (eleven years ago)

You would think it would be easy to spot the difference between a Boeing 777 and a fighter jet but maybe this is what happens when you supply ground-to-air missile to cretins.

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:03 (eleven years ago)

(xxp) Ah right, I'm no aviation expert (as you can tell!)

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:05 (eleven years ago)

Difficult to see why Ukrainian military would shoot down a plane given that the separatists apparently only have one jet. Also difficult to see how separatists would have been able to, given their limited capabilities.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Thursday, 17 July 2014 17:12 (eleven years ago)


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