are you an atheist?

^^^this is still determinative, even if its form is unpredictable to a limited consciousness. It obeys unchanging laws. I suspect that the divine is not determinative, and that part of its mystery & wonder is its bestowal of free will - a law of lawlessness which operates according to a sublime principle we shall never know

wow I am so lost. it's what I get for failing to check in regularly...

if indeterminacy can be simulated through deterministic processes, then you would reject all such things as not being divine then?

it's not a very good simulation. i prefer the theoretical notion that a divine pattern appears in the digits of pi - at least that isn't determinative

Evan I will get u up to speed:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8ggnxMyBO1qz9qj5o1_400.jpg

would the divine being expressed as a simple mathematical equation not be allowed?

Gravity is pretty much the glue of the universe, I'd settle for that being God. It has an effortless grace to it that is given to everything created, living or inanimate. Unfortunately the definition we currently have for gravity doesn't seem to be universally scalable, hence the need for String Theory and Theoretical Physics.

I love all that stuff, but I'm not sure how serious it is taken by modern science. The only friend I have in the physics field thinks that stuff is a joke. I imagine if it were proven that there were multiple universes, possibly infinite in number, we could probably comb through them to find the one literally described in the OT.

we have formula for pi though... we can also rescale pi so it isn't an irrational number if you wanted?

Gravity is nothing compared to the strong nuclear and electromagnetic forces, a fact easily discernible by jumping off a tall building and discovering at which point gravity ceases to be a factor.

The Big Bang is a better substitute, since all the aforementioned forces came from it. It has a singularity state too, which is convenient for theists.

You're right PN that pi is a very simple quantity when expressed non-numerically - much like the divine is doubtless simple when viewed - but we are incapable of viewing the divine in a metaphorically non-numerical fashion. I think it's a good analogy.

"God is in the tv" - M. Manson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW9dmpR94J0

hahaha is this a bit

these guys are working together

"Can u indicate on the doll where god touched u GD, because cmon mayne whats up ya"

what an incredibly stupid thing to say, given the Catholic scandal. luckily my mom snapped out of the spell of Catholocism and spared me the what would have been not-all-that-remote chance of this "jab" hitting lil too close to home.

God's balls

dg r u claiming that god (doesnt exist) has fondled children u should bring this str8 to the cops dont wait to reply

thanks for asking me to clarify, friend. No, I am not actually stating that. But instead that many of His appointed agents here on Earth have raped many children over many, and the supreme chief of all of these agents assisted in covering up these heinous crimes. You should apologize to all the victims for your callousness.

oh ok ur not. phew. thought we'd made a major discovery there but it was just that you can't read.

I can read, that is plainly obvious. What isn't so obvious, but I am willing to have you show evidence of to disprove me, is if you are intelligent enough to grasp the connection between priests/religion/God.

what if you had said your initial comment to a victim of rape by a priest? I would hope you would feel some degree of shame and regret.

lol I'm a v unlikely defendant and you a much less likely prosecutor here man

xp there you go again

so you wouldn't feel a thing, yes? no?

dear sweet god (doesnt exist) you're tiresome. are you really gonna continuously circle around until I admit that child abuse by humans of one made up faith is a terrible thing despite your already acknowledging that God (doesnt exist) has never been involved in any such activjty

because if so, thats the kind of thing that makes ppl not wanna respond to you any more

then don't respond to me, don't read my posts. if it is such a labor, why do you bother? why are you defective in this way?

I simply wanted you to admit that you would feel badly for saying that remark to a victim of sexual abuse by a priest. Can you NOT READ? Because I did not at all ask you to admit what you just said I did.

qed

"a terrible thing despite your already acknowledging that God (doesnt exist) has never been involved in any such activjty"

I did no such thing. Surely your reading comprehension isn't that terrible?? God, being merely a concept, is very much involved in those crimes and their cover up.

notice how you have thrown at an ad hom in every one of your posts, and keep trying to shift this onto my deficiencies and away from your awful stupid comment.

smh i'll bet you wouldn't so proudly proclaim yourself a true white kid that can jump if there were a quadriplegic albino child here right now

"if you are intelligent enough to grasp the connection between priests/religion/God." is answered by "a terrible thing despite your already acknowledging that God (doesnt exist) has never been involved in any such activity".

so far the evidence in favor of you possessing the requisite level of intelligence is lacking. But unlike you, I am more charitable and will assume that it can be mustered.

this is maybe the stupidest revive ever

and yet after wasting your time reading all of it, you wasted even more time by posting in it. that's not exactly intelligent behavior.

perhaps it was stupid of me to assume you value your time on Earth

perhaps you are God, even

Cointless punt

futless guck

i was talking to an atheist tonight and he was patiently explaining how some things you can prove - like that water is wet - and some things you can't, like the existence of god and belief needs to be based on what you can prove and then i asked him if he believed in ghosts and he said yes

maybe he had a ghost bellhop once

anti atheism is about the dumbest thing someone who believed in a god can waste their time and mental energy on tho

hasn't deterred Phil Robertson

but i mean, you've got a god, we dont, dontcha think you're kind of above the debate?

if I'd an ice cream and someone without any ice cream told me they didnt believe in ice cream I wouldn't feel the need to do anything but enjoy my ice cream and maybe pity them a little

now, I bet your god is better than ice cream, right?

ppl OTOH who are ~spiritual~ well they can fuck off. and they dont get any ice cream neither.

i just thought it was funny that atheism has enough of a cache now that ppl can earnestly proclaim it w/out any of the presumptive skeptic baggage

but i mean, you've got a god, we dont, dontcha think you're kind of above the debate?

two thoughts, a. if i'm a believer i believe you have a god too, and b. kinda the entire foundation of monotheism is educating the world about god's existence

frequently and obnoxiously too, in many cases

I like the concept of a personal God

kinda the entire foundation of atheism is educating the world about god's non-existence

I've spent precisely 0 hours actively pursuing that education

is atheism necessarily proselytizing?

some ideological forms of it are, but--

maybe "ism" is the catch here

Pretty much every proselytizing atheist I've met turns out to be a former Christian. People raised without religion tend toward the "whatevs, as long as you don't bother me with it" side.