2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

"captivated by emails" waht

seriously, what is that even supposed to mean?

anyone read the WaPo story on the internecine squabbling in the HRC camp? A poisonous environment, by all accounts.

Sully's been on a roll lately:

It's Bush-Cheney all over again, but less disciplined, more narcissistic, more cynical. And this campaign, in retrospect, has exhibited all these patterns. The press is marveling at the Clintons' near-death political experiences in this campaign. Doesn't it all feel creepily familiar? It's funny, isn't it, how these two characters, long steeped in politics as a way of life, still manage to create psychodramas on a regular basis. They both live to nearly fail completely, treating any sort of stable success as some kind of invitation to more risk-taking, and then always relishing the last-minute, nail-biting self-rescue. Before too long, the entire story becomes about them, their ability to triumph through crisis, even though the crises are so often manufactured by themselves. We are reliving the patterns of the 1990s again. Because they are now directing the drama.

Remember: Bill Clinton could have settled the Paula Jones lawsuit easily years before he put the entire country through the wringer. Remember: Hillary Clinton could have killed what turned out to be the Whitewater non-story at the very outset by disclosing everything she could. Remember: the Clintons could have prepared for primaries and caucuses after February 5, as any careful candidate would. They chose not to do any of these things. Not because they are incompetent. But because they live to risk. They need the drama of crisis. We are learning that they have not changed - despite the ludicrous idea that Hillary Clinton is somehow more stable and reliable than Barack Obama. The same desperate need for attention by unconsciously seeking out near-disaster is with us again.

did hillary really say that mccain would be a better prez? i don't remember seeing that.

She and McCain "offer a lifetime of experience" while Obama "made a speech in 2002" is the gist of it.

My family ran into former secretary of the interior James Watt on the streets of Jackson Hole while on vacation in 1988. This was second only to the vacation three years later in which my dad tried to get Rep. Gephardt's attention by shouting out "Hey Dick!" from beneath his Capitol office window.

Apologies if this has been posted already, this thread is way out of control.

The DNC may give MI and FL a do-over?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/dnc_encouraging_florida_and_mi.php

I guess it's supposed to be an electability argument but it's pretty weird to unleash a quote that could be used against YOURSELF in the g.e.

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

WTF? It's this kinda crap that somehow sticks in regular/simple folks' minds...

http://g.photos.cx/necover-167-a9.jpg

(I only look at popbytes once in a while in case there's music news, honest!) :-)

ugggggggggh

obama raised $55 million in february:

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/barack_obamas_february_haul_ne.html

i think this is a serious argument to make to the superdelegates. clinton's no doubt done a fine job of fundraising february (b/c she finally figured out how to use the web for it), but obama's money-raising abilities are pretty remarkable to say the least

Wow, that Enquirer headline hits for a triple: Terrorism, Corruption and Infidelity!

woah, awesome

I dont think anyone had ever doubted the Cook County organization like Obamas would not be able to raise money. That is what they do best thru their patronage armies and bundlers. They may say 90% of the number of contributers were for less than $100 but the vast majority of their money is brought in thru bundlers and companies executives who all make $2600 donation along with their spouse. It works the same way as a lobbyist but they just call it bundlers instead for some reason.

Posted by: Vinny | March 6, 2008 2:35 PM

lol retard

if only other presidential candidates had been from cook county, then they would be bundling their way into record-shattering fund raising

the enquirer 'terrorist' connection -- it's obviously playing to islamofear to sell papers -- but if it's about William Ayers (former Weatherman), then that connection's already made been floated in the press and died due to the circumstantial insignificance of their paths crossing

so apparently just about all of obama's $55 million can be used for the primary. any word on how much of hillary's $35 is available? i didn't hear it mentioned in many reports

30,000 of her 45,000 donors were first timers i believe so probably a fair amount

(thats the amount since tuesday not Feb)

it would make sense for HRC to have raised thirty-five dollars.

ha, yea $35 million obviously

I know we're all reposting from TPM, but:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-clinton-final.jpg
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-obama-final.jpg

yeah duh to anybody paying attention to the world outside of kos/this thread

HE'S A FALL GUY

redux:

http://obeygiant.com/images/2008/03/obama_shep_print_final2.jpg

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-clinton-final.jpg

Imagine if Hillary doesn't win Arkansas. (Yeah, she was the first lady once, but is now kinda looked upon as a carpetbagger.)

That would be a 268-270 victory for HRC.

its only march homies

BIG HOOS, Lord Steendriver

Hmm, Obama's having a rally in Columbus on Monday. Might have to go check it out.

Reporter: Senator, Howard Wolfson this morning compared Barack Obama to Ken Starr. How do you think he's acting like Ken Starr?

Sen. Clinton: Well, I'm not going to respond to that.

ohio? seems a bit late for that.

or really really early.

xp nice

hooray!

No, Columbus, MS, about 45 minutes away.

Sen. Clinton: Well, I'm not going to respond to that.

either her taking the high road or just letting wolfson do her dirty work for her. she is right to distance her self from this kind of hyperbole though

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At this point I don't think HRC could locate high road even with help of seret service agents and GPS. This is the kind of dirt that doesn't wash off its perpetrators.

Right now their behaviour is alienating every Dem under 40 who is not Chelsea Clinton.

3am ad of my dreams: the phone rings. HRC answers. "Uhhbaby, Ah think Ah'm in trouble again..."

Those maps are beautiful, maaaan.

if she's using her campaign officials to launch attacks, clinton definitely hazards being called to account for those attacks. i understand why she wasn't biting on the question since the staged event was focused on her ability to be commander-in-chief. but if the candidate doesn't follow up on an attack her campaign made when confronted with it, the attack doesn't gain any traction. if she does follow up, she gets the dirt on her hands.

hillary, echoing her reiterating her earlier points (so i guess this is gonna be one of her themes, then, huh?):

“I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold,” the New York senator told reporters crowded into an infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room in Washington.

“I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy,” she said.

Calling McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee a good friend and a “distinguished man with a great history of service to our country,” Clinton said, “Both of us will be on that stage having crossed that threshold. That is a critical criterion for the next Democratic nominee to deal with.”

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ILXor Alfred?! Huh.

Yep.

"As far as I know."

infant’s bedroom-sized hotel conference room

haha, who the fuck are these reporters who judge a room's size like this?

haha srsly

this is kinda fucked, right? i know she's trying to indicate that she'll be more competitive against mccain, but still....

sorry messed up phrasing in my first line

hillary, echoing her reiterating her earlier points

hillary clinton '08: bigger than a breadbox