Nathan Barley comes to TV

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Ha ha ha!!! Finally Nathan has turned into the old Nathan from the website that we *love* to hate...

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Saturday, 12 March 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Though I guess Claire's callous and exploitative side has finally come to light. I'm glad that she didn't stay squeaky clean forever. The difference between her reaction to a 13 year old cokehead (oh my god, I want her for my film) and her reaction to an 18 year old cokehead (ugh, how offensive, get her away from me) really showed her core Guardian reader hypocrasy, didn't it?

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Saturday, 12 March 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Just watched it. Phew, a bit close to the old boner. The laughs were big and uncomfortable... as they should be, and as they were in TVGoHome. Best of the series, combining Morris' Brasseye pedo schtick with a very direct hit on Vice magazine, for whom I'm sure I've at some point been asked to jerk off a builder. (Repressed memory syndrome, obviously. I don't even have an uncle.)

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 12 March 2005 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i know it's funny that he jerked the builder off, but still, WHYYYYYYYYY do it?

Sven Bastard (blueski), Saturday, 12 March 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not just funny, it's the CLIMAX of Dan's dilemma throughout the series. Dan does it because it is the essence of Dan. The implacably cruel logic of the script's moral mission demands it.

Dan's position, stuck in a world he hates, has been untenable from the start. But we have no clue how low he'll go. In the first episode we see him torn between scorn and collusion with "the idiots". He seems like he's going to be the John Wayne character. But soon we see he's no John Wayne. He's not even the Preacherman the idiots take him for. He's weak, fatally flawed by lack of money, lack of knowledge, lack of pride.

Dan's face has been the barometer of his conflicted emotions, and has twitched and sneered and cringed and looked baleful (the most brilliant acting of the series has been the gamut of negative feelings expressed by that face). But as he's jerking off the builder everything is running across that face at double speed and double strength: Dan is pained, embarrassed, humiliated, bewildered. HE IS JERKING OFF A BUILDER FOR MONEY.

The series could be called "Six Episodes In Search of Character". By the look of the trailer for Episode 6, though, it's more of a moral "Battle Royale", an elimination game with Dan and Nathan battling it out to be the "winner" in a world where only the pathetic survive.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I must say I've warmed to this series as it has gone on, and particularly last Friday's, which was the first time I'd felt it was doing everything right and flowed effectively. The Jonathan Yeah character's absurdly galled tone - "I suppose I could do an *in-ter-view*..." - and the wonderful little snatches of Julia Davis and Morris himself in the TV bits just seemed emblematic of a greater confidence.

Did anyone else like that song of Mandy's? "Bad... to have a bad uncle..." Delivered rather like Sarah Nixey on top of a particularly shivery Soft Cell chord sequence.

Morris can always generally be relied upon to use diegetic (and indeed non, c.f. "Blue Jam"/"Jam") music well; just the background songs seem chosen to jarring perfection - "Harvest for the World" and "Alright" in that family pub; "Stool Pigeon" IIRC earlier in the unspecified cafe.

Tom May (Tom May), Monday, 14 March 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

yes the song was funny too. i suppose it was also good that the cracks appear in Claire's character, the indignation/hypocrisy juxtaposition etc.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, about time really. It does seem to me that the show had previously been marking time, with some stray bits of good work scattered amongst the earlier episodes. It now seems like a credible proposition, perhaps because Barley is more genuinely loathsome, and it doesn't give Claire an easy ride.

Tom May (Tom May), Monday, 14 March 2005 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

when nathan is getting the blowjob, and the bad uncle song comes back--CLASSIC!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 March 2005 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'LL KILL 'IM

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I've had the Bad Uncle song stuck in my head for days now. How soon before the LCD Soundsystem remix is released?

I was actually glad when Claire's cracks showed, because it made her more an actual whole, rounded character, rather than just an empty shell for expressing disgust at Nathan and Dan.

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Monday, 14 March 2005 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i want a second series! it would be good to know more about the minor characters, 2-d as they are. the end of this ep was so well judged, with claire expecting that everyone would turn their backs on barley, and the exact opposite happening. 'that is well "no way!"'.

NR_Q, Monday, 14 March 2005 09:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, it never occurred to me until the other day tht this cd actually get a second series. has morris had a second series before?

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 14 March 2005 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Won't it largely depend on viewing figures?

Any idea what they are?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 14 March 2005 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the viewing figs have been really bad, like 1 million bad. but if put on a weds or thurs night that wdn't be so bad, and it's awards-bait. morris did two series of 'on the hour'. that was a long time ago.

N_RQ, Monday, 14 March 2005 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

> the Manic Miner loading screen made me laugh a lot = i am the target audience

the resolution was all wrong - 6 characters at 6 pixels a piece > 32 columns the spectrum had.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 14 March 2005 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Blue Jam had 3 series'.

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 14 March 2005 11:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I really giggled my way through this one. Did anyone else notice Natahn raiding Tyler Durden's wardrobe during the filming-blowjob-revelation scenes? Made a bit of sense considering how messed up Marlandy was.

And Dan Ashcroft - when will he get hold of a gun? I liked how he used his initiative and wore TWO gloves (and was still somewhat foiled even in that). He's like the further demoralised incarnation of Julian Barratt's char on The Mighty Boosh.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't forget Nathan's Tyler-dancing during the head scene either.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

what's happended to the guy with the boombox, i think he lodged with Claire or Dan, or both? I miss his noiZe.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ste, he was dj'ing in bumphUK last episode. he had these little toys while he was dj'ing, it was amusing.

i think ashcroft WILL get a gun next episode... and possibly shoot nathan?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

(in the trailer for next week, nathan tells dan it was parly his idea to have dan toss off a builder)

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Bad to have a bad Ashcroft.

Marlandy, Monday, 14 March 2005 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Won't it largely depend on viewing figures?
Any idea what they are?

Down to 700,000 for the third episode, the second worst Friday night viewing figures Channel 4 has had in a decade. It's not even making the top 30 most viewed on C4.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(wasn't he djing in the haircut place, Stanley Knife's rather than Bumph? he was on fine form in Boosh last night, the poncho wearing fool. Boosh > Barley obv and deserves better than being tucked away on digital tv or post midnight)

someone on tv listing / review pages was also postulating about a second series and what it would contain - librarian chic was the only thing i remember.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

> Down to 700,000 for the third episode, the second worst Friday night viewing figures Channel 4 has had in a decade

target audience all out djing?

koogs (koogs), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I was trying to tell Suzy the other night, but she insists that *real* hipsters don't even bother DJ-ing before 11.30 or so.

Still, they're down the pub before that, they're hardly hanging around watching TV.

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't he djing in the haircut place, Stanley Knife's rather than Bumph?

ahhhhh, you may be right!

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 March 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The second series should include a send-up of Gwen Stefaneeeee (bonus if Mandy had in fact been GS' stepdaughter).

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

> Down to 700,000 for the third episode, the second worst Friday night viewing figures Channel 4 has had in a decade

Nathan Barley's not really Friday night telly, is it?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

dajve bikinus was already a gwen stefiani send-up kinda?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 14 March 2005 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I can sorta see that, but that's the only ep I didn't get to finish.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

dunno about that. why would they want to send up Gwen?

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Down to 700,000 for the third episode, the second worst Friday night viewing figures Channel 4 has had in a decade.

What's the worst? I actually feel a bit guilty about this, since I suspect a pretty large proportion of us are going out on fridays then downloading NBs on saturday mornings...

JimD (JimD), Monday, 14 March 2005 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

gwen stefani isn't really very hoxditch. in series 2 grime will have caught on down the nailgun arms.

NR_Q, Monday, 14 March 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Zoinks, I put this on some other thread.

I *was* wondering how Nick was going to react to this episode.

I think it captures the rivalries and one-ups that you get in the creative side of the media pretty well perfectly. There is a Barley in every office and he's always busking others' ideas, he KNOWS he's a wanker and his method of ascendancy is to play off everyone who finds him repellent against each other because that will leave him enough leeway to get the ear of the big boss, who the Ashcrofts in any given situation also have identified as a wanker in extremis.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually feel a bit guilty about this, since I suspect a pretty large proportion of us are going out on fridays then downloading NBs on saturday mornings...

haha, i did this for the first time last Saturday only to find that my housemate had taped it anyway, so we watched the VCR....then danced to '99 Luftballoons', wore shoulder pads, drank Tab Clear etc.

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

dunno about that. why would they want to send up Gwen?

Sending up an alleged global fashion icon/"all-round cool person", with a recently discovered model stepdaughter to boot (as well as someone who mildly irritates me - see also Andre, who I hate more), in a show about the idiocy of posers and trendies makes sense to me. Like, they could replace her "Harajookoo Gurls" fixation with Sugar Ape staff. Or have Momus walk in(I kid, I kid).

Dan reminds me the most of Clerks' Dante Hicks, only even more wet. And instead of Randal Graves, he's got Nathan. And a builder instead of an ex who fucks a dead guy. And no one screaming "Snootchie nootchie bootchies!" in his general area.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, they show it again on repeat way late (post pub time) on Saturday nights. I often find it easier to catch then.

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

but B, she's completely removed from the Hoxditchcentric world of NB. your Gwendetta is spiralling out of control here!

Sven Bastard (blueski), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

possibly a peter doherty type would fit in series 2. i also wanted more of 'weekend on sunday' because the mainstream papers have taken on a lot of hoxditch stuff, esp the guardian. i will miss it when it's gone anyway.

NR_Q, Monday, 14 March 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Henry, that's because the fashion editor is Mrs. Groove Armada.

Charlie Brooker interviewed Nick once for some BBC internet/computers thing that used to be on Radio 1 around the time of Stars Forever (I was told this when I interviewed CB for TvGoHome book and had moved from 'interview' to 'drink') and pronounced him both nice and interesting. I think Nathan Barley's twattishness comes from a combination of illiteracy, opportunism and Englishness.

BTW there is a 'thinkpiece' about Peter Doherty in the latest issue of Edgy Style Mag which is waaaaay too referential/reverential (did everyone catch the documentary last week?)

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And ESM "think piece" about Junkie Pete?

::rolls around on the floor in a delight of outrage::

Masonic Cathedral (kate), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Mandy has partly negated Pete.

Ste, doesn't the Hoxditch mentality still make room for countrywide/global 'icons'? I think 15Peter20 would agree.

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think stefani has the underground/faux-underground cachet, she's properly popular so doesn't need the approval of sugar ape. i met someone who's thick with vice uk the other night, and he liked bright eyes. morris would relish bright eyes, i think.

NR_Q, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

B, perhaps, but I still don't 'get' a lot of NB even though it's the only programme I look forward to at the weekends. Figure that one out.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

But for the record I thought the last ep was the best yet.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I can relate, Ste (though my reply was actually aimed at Sven).

BARMS, Monday, 14 March 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, haha, um, oh dear.

Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Charlie Brooker interviewed Nick once

In 1999? The same year he invented Nathan Barley, yeah?

Momus (Momus), Monday, 14 March 2005 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)


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