indefensible: john gruber

and the tone was just returning the volley. anyway if i'm being an apple defender here ok but i'm not even sure i am really but who knows

i don't think apple is fucked

assuming that we would know the significance of that post in relation to apple history
that we would know what 9to5 mac is, probably a blog or something?
that we want to go to some other site to read about what is probably a passing anecdote

well the first thing was just in the news, it's not old. i'm surprised you're not aware of the second, at least due to mark gurman's scoops, but i guess i could be super down the rabbit hole here. lastly, you guys do spend a lot of time talking about fedoras and other useless shit, so i'm sorry you wouldn't want to spend two seconds on this

and yes, this also qualifies as useless shit.

anyway, we're friends, lets not fight

I have read a lot of random apple stuff in my day but I have no idea who mark gurman is, as far as data points go

I'd say that crafting a cool post tying that anecdote in would be neat!

he broke the healthbook stuff the other week and has a lot of other apple scoops. sorry, i guess i really *am* down in a rabbit hole here, even in respect to you guys. i should probably spend less time following the minutae on twitter and elsewhere, but for now and the past couple years i really have, at the expense of other interests too

i read gil amelio's memoir last year ffs

all im saying markers is "go look up a blog post" is a bad look, why not just post a link to it if you really think its that interesting

i'm not sure it is, but here you go: http://9to5mac.com/2014/03/19/eddy-cue-throws-a-pen-at-haunted-empires-yukari-kanes-accuracy-says-story-isnt-true/

forgive my mortal transgression of not linking.

now i wish you hadnt

next time i won't

it's good to be back

I skipped that link the first time tbh because I assumed it was about eddy cue and the pencil. But it was not and was interesting

gonna put that picture itt

got distracted for a moment, but

http://i.imgur.com/JCCTJyi.jpg

from macrumors

shit look at that thing

Wait, what's that? Were they working ON IPHONE in G3 days?

no i think it started in 2005. they were trying to mimic the speed of what the phone hardware would be maybe? something like that? it says in the wsj somewhere

for some reason that reminds me of Jobs using OpenStep on a Thinkpad when he returned to Apple because he thought their laptops were garbage

maybe a fierce G4 (G5?) hater was on the iPhone team

I still shed a tear for all those children who were laid off from their jobs in the Motorola factory in 2006. You couldn't meet a stauncher group of PowerPC/OS 9 nationalists.

good link coming in

http://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Windows-Azure/Learn-how-Vesper-built-offline-sync-using-Azure-Mobile-Services-

watch it

at least a little

so basically they needed an app cloud service. they don't mention any built-in synching merge tools, so presumably they made their own or used some other off-the-shelf library. from the code shown, it seems like there's minimal platform-specific code going on (it looked like javascript from what I watched) so it remains pretty portable.

IMO they're getting a promo deal backed by the video, and if their app gets large enough that they need to reevaluate their needs they could jump to any other cloud platform in a heartbeat

idk if this is apple dropping the ball on iCloud sync (which they have) as much as people not wanting to be locked in, in case they want multiple platforms for their app.

i'm not sure why they chose this really. br3nt s1mmons does leave in seattle.

he's the one who knew stuff about azure for some reason i think.

ugh, if you click that link make sure you manually add the "-" to the end of the url or you won't get the video

at least i didn't

there are limited app cloud options, really

i'm not sure why they chose this really. br3nt s1mmons does leave in seattle.

And is a worthy partner for Gruber. Christ, his dev blog is so painful to read I had to unsubscribe. Endless "do my homework for me", obvious mining of dead-ends, NIH all over the place, unsubstantiated resistance to the right solutions and manic over-engineering. Explains a lot about why NNW performance was so awful, and definitely explains the horrific state of its nib files.

lol

you've brought actual developers with axes to grind in on this now, markers

damn true

as I said to someone recently, no one hates software developers more than other developers. and if you don't, then you're probably part of the problem.

the funny thing about talking about software dev and vesper is that i actually wrote a notes app for the ti 83 plus back in the day

you can store ten strings on it. i stored all the notes as a series of numbers in a matrix instead of storing them in the strings.

you convert each number back to a character, and each character back into a number, to go from what's stored to what's displayed. something like that.

p.s. ticalc.org existed long before the app store did

your notes application was probably better implemented than vesper

too bad you can't make a living off writing shit in ti basic

https://twitter.com/pschiller/favorites

lol

is it just me or has grubby been a lot more friendly towards micro$hit since his azure coming out video

microsoft is pretty clearly doing better work as of late imo

good comp sci for sure

that's always been true

would work at microsoft before google 100%

would never work at apple

Microsoft's got heart, just having fun out there.