Malaysia Airlines MH370

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So, not trying to detract or anything but in a way:

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/we_aint_found_shit.gif ?

StanM, Monday, 24 March 2014 19:28 (twelve years ago)

I'm still so confused as to how the aircraft could have ended up that far south west of Perth.

all is fair in love and womp (monotony), Monday, 24 March 2014 22:43 (twelve years ago)

if you look at the flight path that they're now speculating, the thing made a U turn, flew over loads of actual land, straight into the ocean and crashed. it's fucking bizarre.

akm, Monday, 24 March 2014 23:39 (twelve years ago)

My paper's frontpage today got me a little choked up:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1480593_10152335611023466_1629762008_n.jpg

Roz, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 08:55 (twelve years ago)

:(

, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 08:57 (twelve years ago)

Aviation experts: is it possible for the pilots or anyone else onboard to disable the voice or flight-data recorders as the transponders were?

Lee626, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 12:25 (twelve years ago)

on silkair 185 the the pilot disabled the voice recorder

micah, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:47 (twelve years ago)

roz that cover is ;_;

fitting tribute

damn this whole thing is so sad and weird

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 15:41 (twelve years ago)

i couldn't stop crying after the press conference yesterday. It wasn't just the families - a lot of reporters, some who have covered much bigger disasters, broke down. Part of it was the exhaustion, but mostly I think everyone had held on to that tiny bit of hope that there might be survivors. even though we knew there couldn't have been any. :(

it IS weird... so many unanswered questions still. How the fuck did the plane end up so far away from where it was going, for one.

Roz, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 16:57 (twelve years ago)

Did they actually find pieces of the the plane or are they just sick of speculation? It seems they don't have any real evidence that it went down, unless i've missed something.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:06 (twelve years ago)

It's what you'd call an informed assumption, I guess.

Calculate the distance between the plane and the satellite, and using the strength of the pings received, trace its trajectory all the way to its last known point - a remote location where there's no place to land, and no land in between where they could have stopped and refueled. combine it with the satellite sightings of possible debris...

Roz, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:13 (twelve years ago)

yeah, nothing has actually been found yet.

sleepingsignal, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:18 (twelve years ago)

I accept that the plane is in the ocean but there has been information released and either contradicted or redacted for the last two weeks so without finding the tail or some identifiable debris, I think this is going to spark conspiracy theories and not satisfy the families who are desperate to hang on to hope.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 17:20 (twelve years ago)

i agree with the last bit - i think there will always be something about this case that will feed the conspiracy theorists, simply because so many things still don't add up.

but otoh i don't know... there's been a lot of information released quoting unnamed sources or officials, and which were then repeated over and over as fact, even when they were never confirmed by the people in charge. It's easy to say then that there's been contradictory information, but more often than not, the authorities are being forced to contradict bad journalism/speculation that's based on misleading or inaccurate intel.

if you look at all the official statements released from the minister's office, they actually tell a pretty consistent story.

Roz, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 18:19 (twelve years ago)

Roz :(

, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 00:46 (twelve years ago)

I'm not quite sure if I can follow anymore: have we found anything that is 100% certainly part of this plane? (getting headlines like "all the search for MH370 has found is that the oceans are way more polluted than we thought" and "boeing debris turns out to be garbage" over here now)

StanM, Sunday, 30 March 2014 13:58 (twelve years ago)

No. They're no longer having daily press conferences and there's been no new data to look at either. Basically, the only thing left is to keep searching until they find -something-. Anything.

Roz, Sunday, 30 March 2014 14:16 (twelve years ago)

"show me" could be good but chris' vocals on that are particularly wretched AND IT'S ALSO A SONG THAT FEATURES THE LINE "YOU REMIND ME OF SOMETHING / BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW"

demand more from your songwriters
--le goon (J0rdan S.)

8p

dsb, Sunday, 30 March 2014 15:16 (twelve years ago)

err something must have happened with zing and my pocket sorry...

dsb, Sunday, 30 March 2014 15:37 (twelve years ago)

Unfortunate side effect of the MH370 search is bringing this issue to light:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/2014/0401/Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-MH370-Search-reveals-extent-of-ocean-garbage-video

Assuming the plane did break into small pieces, the debris field is probably spreading wider and thinner with each passing day. Ebbsmeyer estimates that the debris patch is probably more than 20 miles in diameter and spreading, based on his studies of container spills.

“The debris is going to become less concentrated and harder to spot,” he says. “There’s no doubt that pieces of plastic from this wreck will float for decades, but they’ll become just part of all the other plastic which is not identifiable.”

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 06:16 (twelve years ago)

CNN.com:

It it Flight 370's data recorder?

qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 7 April 2014 01:19 (twelve years ago)

the blackbox is giving off a sound wave, right? so many places are reporting an "electronic pulse" which I imagine would be highly attenuated in salt water, i.e. it's a waste of blackbox battery.

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 7 April 2014 01:24 (twelve years ago)

the australian navy dudes actually term it as an "acoustic event".

Brief summary of today's presser: US towed pinger locator detects signals consistent with those emitted by aircraft black boxes yesterday, in area of about 4,500m in depth. First signal lasted about 2 hours, the second about 13 mins. However, still cannot confirm that the signals were from MH370. Focus today is to reacquire signals before deploying the autonomous underwater vehicle (which has a depth limitation of exactly 4,500m) to map the ocean floor and search for signs of wreckage.

Roz, Monday, 7 April 2014 05:12 (twelve years ago)

Indeed, according to one highly placed oceanic scientist to whom I spoke recently, it is truly unbelievable: he believes, as do other independent scientists, that the Americans have known exactly where the flight crashed ever since it fell out of the skies; to reveal that they do so would be to endanger covert military information and the operation of underwater sonic arrays whose primary purpose is to detect such large objects in the oceans – in the shape of enemy submarines.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/08/mh370-bleeps-vast-depth-ocean-secrets-americans

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:28 (twelve years ago)

These underwater mountains and trenches remain the least unexplored places on earth

guess they don't have editors any more

sleeve, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:49 (twelve years ago)

the underwater mountains and trenches are so gentrified these days

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:04 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, I know exactly where the plane is too, but I'll only tell you if you know the secret masonic handshake.

The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:07 (twelve years ago)

your mom's mountains and trenches remain the least, etc

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:12 (twelve years ago)

perspective:
http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/the-depth-of-the-problem/931/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 9 April 2014 03:47 (twelve years ago)

Some strange developments:

The Co-pilot attempted to make a mobile phone call shortly after the course redirection near Penang.

Citing new radar data, Malaysia military investigators are convinced the plane was flown deliberately low and fast over the Malaysian peninsula and carefully skirted Sumatra Indonesia's coastlines to evade radar detection.

Authorities believe acoustic pings from the black boxes have stopped due to battery fatigue.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:20 (twelve years ago)

Malaysian authorities deny the co-pilot tried to use his phone. They're mainly looking into the possible involvement of one or more passengers.

StanM, Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:26 (twelve years ago)

The government denies the call, but this leak of a lot of detail suggests otherwise:

http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/call-traced-to-co-pilot-s-phone-1.562612

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 13 April 2014 15:35 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

This is nuts:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-georesonance-wreckage-of-a-commercial-airliner-found/

o. nate, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:39 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, pretty crazy. Though, if it ends up being the missing plane, just another instance where private industry is usurping reliability of natl govts.

Dominique, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:44 (twelve years ago)

cmon how could that wreckage present distribution patterns that so closely mimic the intact plane unless it was gently lowered into the water? that makes no sense to me as an ignorant layperson.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 18:49 (twelve years ago)

you can't be ignorant of a subject and have a trustworthy intuition for it at the same time. so you shouldn't be too worried I guess. I certainly don't know what to expect. Everything is complicated.

the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:06 (twelve years ago)

Doubtful. For everything to be intact like that, MH370's captain would have had to pull off a Sullenberger-grade ditching. In the open ocean. In a much bigger plane. At night/early morning.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 19:23 (twelve years ago)

Good summary saying we know nothing. Registration required

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-the-theories-and-fantasies-about-mh370-398704/

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ANALYSIS: The theories and fantasies about MH370
By: DAVID LEARMOUNTLONDON
Source: Flightglobal.com 16 hours ago
The least unlikely cause for the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, based on what little is known about the final flight, is that a person with a sharp mind and a plan, but who was emotionally unbalanced, took control of the aircraft.

It could have been one of the pilots, or someone else on board who had the means to persuade the pilots, quietly, to depart from official cockpit security procedures. The best way of doing that would be for the individual to be known by – even friendly with – the pilots.

Cabin crew? Nobody knows, and there is certainly no direct evidence.

There is some circumstantial evidence for the Malaysian authorities’ belief that MH370’s ­disappearance was the result of “deliberate action by someone on board”. The most publicised bits of circumstantial evidence are the switching off of the ACARS ­technical datalink and then the transponder, followed immediately by a marked departure from the aircraft’s planned route ­combined with a sudden radio silence.

The “emotionally unbalanced person” theory is based on the fact that no one can imagine the motivation for masterminding what has happened, because no obvious purpose appears to have been served by it. But somebody who is suicidal or otherwise in a disturbed emotional state is not bound by normal logic.

Another argument for this theory is historical. There have been many cases in which pilots of aircraft carrying passengers have committed suicide by deliberately crashing the aircraft: a Silk Air Boeing 737 pilot, an EgyptAir 767 pilot, a Royal Air Maroc ATR 42 pilot, and last year a LAM ­Mozambique Embraer 190 pilot.

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An Ethiopian 767 was deliberately crashed in 1996
There is also a history of persons – other than the pilots – bringing aircraft down because they had a grudge against the airline or society: a Pacific Southwest ­Airlines BAe 146 in 1987 and an Ethiopian Airlines 767 in 1996. Then there was 9/11, where the perpetrators had a grudge against an entire country.

There is no record – yet – of someone sabotaging an ordinary airline flight for the purpose of killing a specific person or group on board, but the possibility – in a case as unusual as MH370 – must be a part of the investigation.

A conspirator with such a ­motive would have had a reason to want no one ever to find out what really happened, so the southerly flight path believed to have been followed by MH370 to an oceanic grave would have been a brilliant plan. The only trouble with this theory is that, like all the others, there is no direct evidence for it.

Sabotage, frequently invoked as a possible cause for an aircraft accident when no immediate explanation is available, has been mentioned less by the theorists in the MH370 case, on the grounds that, if it had been bombed, it would not have flown on for so long. Well, it might have done if the damage was limited to, say, ­creating a hole in the hull that would have caused a sudden decompression – and that could be a reason why everything went quiet over the Gulf of Thailand.

Returning to the theory of deliberate action, commentators have advanced many ideas as to how the perpetrator kept everyone on board quiet while carrying out his plan, including incapacitating them by deliberately depressurising the aircraft at high altitude.

These theories are guesses, but the deliberate decompression theory cannot be ruled out. Yet there is another less spectacular reason why the passengers would have been passive. If the pilots were the perpetrators or if the means of taking control was indeed quietly achieved, at 02:00 the passengers would have been sleeping or trying to sleep, not worrying about which way the aircraft was heading, and most would stay that way until dawn or beyond.

During the early part of the flight, while the aircraft was within range of land, the passengers would not have chosen to use their mobile phones unless they were aware of a risk to their lives, simply because they would have known their families would also have been asleep.

The theories invoking progressive damage by an onboard electrical fire are difficult to stand up, because fires are not sudden.

The existence of a fire is known by smoke, fumes or an alarm before it disables the ­aircraft, and pilot reaction in such a case would have been to put out an instant emergency call, which they did not do. ­Finally, a spreading fire would not have taken six hours to bring the aircraft down.

The theories – mostly involving conspiracy – about the aircraft having landed safely somewhere can be ruled out. Those who believe that it landed at the US base at Diego Garcia have clearly not used Google Earth to see how visible the aircraft would be if it were there – or indeed at the old UK Royal Air Force base on Gan in the Maldives, or other islands in the Indian Ocean.

If the calculated search position is wrong and the aircraft could have crashed on land, a jungle location anywhere within range of Kuala Lumpur remains implausible but possible. The question then would be why no country’s military radar detected such a penetration of their ­airspace, or why they are not ­declaring it.

Will MH370 ever be found? If it went into the southern Indian Ocean, probably not.

The facts are these: no floating wreckage had been found six weeks later. The accuracy of the satellite information on which the search area has been calculated is far from guaranteed, so the search team may not be looking in the right place.

It is hard enough finding wreckage in the deep ocean when the position where the aircraft went missing was accurately known, like Air France 447. In that case, floating wreckage was discovered within a couple of days, but it took two years to find the wreck on the sea floor even when the last known position of the aircraft was a fact in which the search teams knew they could have confidence, so the huge financial investment in looking for it was considered worthwhile.

But even if the search teams are looking in the right place, AF447 belly-flopped into the water at a vertical speed of about 120kt (220km/h), with very low forward speed, so the wreckage parts were quite large and thus easy to detect on the surface and on the seabed. Fortunately for the searchers, the main wreckage came to rest on a firm, flat plain on the seabed, among sub-sea ­mountains.

There is no evidence of how MH370 impacted the water, but if it hit the surface much faster than AF447 and with a nose-down ­attitude, the pieces would be smaller and thus more difficult to detect.

To add to the searchers’ ­difficulties, oceanographers ­report that the area of the seabed currently being scanned is very silty. ­Aircraft parts, ­especially heavy ones like ­engines, could sink into the silt, making detection by sonar even more difficult.

If parts from MH370 are ever found, it may be when seat cushions or other lightweight ­debris washes up on the shore of Australia or Antarctica.

Unfortunately, it looks as if this is the most probable scenario.

Meanwhile, airlines across the world may be facing a new regulatory mandate based on the lessons learned from the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Rockwell Collins’ chief executive Kelly Ortberg says.

The ongoing, six-week-old search for the missing Boeing 777-200ER in the South Indian Ocean has already prompted IATA to form an expert task force to consider options for tracking commercial aircraft.

“The task force will vet potential solutions to this problem and come up with some recommendation,” said Ortberg, speaking to analysts on 18 April. “So I do see a move upward to some sort of a mandated change here.”

Ortberg says he wants Collins – one of the world’s largest avionics and aircraft connectivity suppliers ­– to play a role in the IATA task force’s deliberations.

“We certainly have to think we’ve got some good things to offer,” Ortberg says.

The task force is planning to meet in May for the first time.

The task force is intended to take a comprehensive, global approach to responding to the MH370 disappearance, IATA director general and chief executive Tony Tyler said on 1 April.

“This is not the time for ­hastily prepared sales pitches or regional solutions,” says Tyler.

Flight MH370 – carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew – went missing on 8 March over the South China Sea between Kuala Lumpur and Beijing. The aircraft’s radios, transponder and automated datalink all stopped transmitting a few minutes after the crew bid farewell to Malaysia air traffic control coverage and before it was picked up by Vietnamese controllers.

Despite a confusing series of announcements by Malaysian officials, it was discovered by Inmarsat that a communications antenna on board the aircraft continued “pinging” a satellite although it passed no data.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 29 April 2014 22:58 (twelve years ago)

That georesonance link is pretty wild, can't help but notice the location aligns with the arc of pinging from the Inmarsat satellite. Also vector of flying towards civilization lends more cred to hijacking theory.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:29 (twelve years ago)

the georesonance image is almost a little too otm, like the shroud of Turin or something. More inclined to believe it'll never be found but I suppose anything might occur.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:37 (twelve years ago)

man, the anguish the victims' families must feel... my heart goes out to them.

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 00:48 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

(CNN) - A Malaysia Airlines flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in eastern Ukraine, Russian news agency Interfax reported Thursday.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:33 (eleven years ago)

god how awful. interfax reporting it was shot down.

sktsh, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:39 (eleven years ago)

what the fuck

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/17/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

your best m7 (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

oh sorry

your best m7 (rip van wanko), Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:43 (eleven years ago)

Hoping to god this is just a coincidence.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:45 (eleven years ago)

this is a fucking nightmare

Roz, Thursday, 17 July 2014 15:52 (eleven years ago)


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