Malaysia Airlines MH370

One thing I keep coming back to (and why I'm not buying into the whole "this retired pilot from the 70s says there's one simple explanation for MH370's behavior!!!1" angle):

777 communication radios are quadruple redundant. 4 different types of communication powered by 4 separate/unlinked power sources located in 4 entirely different parts of the plane. Why would Boeing design that? Exactly because of emergency scenarios when part(s) of the aircraft is/are disabled mechanically, electrically or electronically. There is basically no chance that a 777 could lose power to all 4 methods of communication unless the entire plane was vaporized (which we know it wasn't as the engines continued pinging and it was picked up on radar for quite some time later).

Whomever would not be flying the plane (pilot or copilot) would be on the radio, in the very worst case scenario sending out a mayday/distress call on whichever comms method was available (I believe you can choose all available in the 777). But that of course is if both pilots were still piloting the plane.

It was leaked yesterday that the plane diverted from its intended course via a programmed code into the flight computer shortly after turning off the transponders/ACARS. That form of piloting is not an action taken out of desperate distress and speaks volumes about the why the investigation has been focusing on the pilot/copilot and anyone on the plane who has advanced knowledge of flying.

yeah, the only thing i feel certain about is that this was intentional.

It is certainly quite plausible that it was intentional. Think that some part of me wants to believe the hypoxia version because at least then there is some minimal closure to the story, whereas in the other version there are so many questions about why it was done and how did it play out.

Programming a code into the flight computer can be as simple as entering the call letters of the desired airport and pressing a git-r-done button. I think if the crew wanted to devote their time to fighting a fire (for example) this is what they'd do. No need to manually steer the plane while things are falling apart around you.

lol mordy fyi they can land a man on the moon but they can't cure the common cold

but that's because curing the common cold is more difficult

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Fantasticvoyageposter.jpg

I think you meant to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3QAHZicSjQ

man we 20 yrs deep on coolio's dream, needs a remake.

Programming a code into the flight computer can be as simple as entering the call letters of the desired airport and pressing a git-r-done button. I think if the crew wanted to devote their time to fighting a fire (for example) this is what they'd do. No need to manually steer the plane while things are falling apart around you.

― nickn, Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looks like according to some new info the route change was programmed n 12 min before their final verbal communication.

It was leaked yesterday that the plane diverted from its intended course via a programmed code into the flight computer

is how this is known explained anywhere?

Following yesterday's revelation that the plane's altered flight path had been programmed through a computer in the cockpit, it has been revealed today that those new coordinates were already in motion when co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid made the final radio contact – "All right, good night" – before the jet vanished.

The "new piece of the puzzle" was revealed by former Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Scott Brenner on Fox News, who said it was understood MH370 had turned and was heading west at 1.07am, 12 minutes before Mr Hamid's final words at 1.19am, at which time he would have been aware he had gone off course.

"One of the pilots clearly had the intention that he was going to take (the plane) in a different direction," Mr Brenner said.

"It was 100 percent clear that this pilot or co-pilot was going to take this plane with the intent of doing something bad."

former spokesman, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140308-902237.html

I was also wondering how they would know about any flight path change, unless they actually tracked it when the plane was still communicating its position.

i feel like nothing i read about this whole situation is true

it seems every story about the flight management system computer is citing the nyt who have no details about exactly how this detail is known.

The details are laid out pretty clearly in the article that you just linked:

Flight 370’s Flight Management System reported its status to the Acars, which in turn transmitted information back to a maintenance base, according to an American official. This shows that the reprogramming happened before the Acars stopped working. The Acars ceased to function about the same time that oral radio contact was lost and the airplane’s transponder also stopped, fueling suspicions that foul play was involved in the plane’s disappearance.

ah ok... i wonder why the reprogramming went unknown until now then.

i mean, the status of the acars has been known for days.

Strange twist: political-family ties connect pilot Zaharie to Malaysia oppostion leader Anwar Ibrihim.

Zaharie attended Ibrihim's sodomy trial hours before MH370 took off.

Ibrihim has denied knowing Zaharie previously, but today admitted that he is related to his son-in-law and they've met on several occasions, underwater.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/flight-mh370-pilot-anwar-ibrahims-sodomy-trial-hours-before-take-off-1440736

LOL

Mordy you are high. Finding stuff in the fucking ocean will never not be extremely, extremely hard. Even airplanes.

no shit i mean we've had a few thousand years to work with and we still haven't identified all of the species that live in the ocean

Has this Wired piece been discussed/debunked yet? I'd like so very much for the conspiracy nonsense to be just that.

pilots: one startlingly simple trick to make your passenger plane vanish

Tin-hatty, but there is a chance, if there is a suspected or confirmed hijacking and the plane is safe somewhere, or even not safe, that authorities might be letting on less than they know as they track down people behind it. But it seems pretty unlikely they would keep everyone, including the families, in the dark for so long.

It does seems significant that the pilot was more closely involved in the political opposition than previously known and that he had attended the sentencing of its leader just hours before the flight. It does give a possible motive for trying to make the plane "disappear" - ie., in order to cause maximum embarrassment for the government.

On the last two posts, no on both counts. I've covered the transport minister a lot and can usually tell when he's trying to hide something. Either he's had better coaching lately, or he genuinely does not know that much more than he's let on.

Also the Msian government is not above character assassination (see exhibit a: Anwar Ibrahim) and you can be sure that if there was any evidence at all that the pilot was more than your average opposition supporter, the govt-aligned news orgs (including the one I work for) would be going all out on that front.

Family members of some of the Chinese passengers caused a small riot before the press conference today... Crying and wailing and accusing the govt of wasting time and withholding info. Felt really terrible for them but I genuinely think there's not much we can do unless other countries involved are willing to share vital military radar and satellite data, which most of them are not giving up right now.

They were obvs rattled by it, the pc was cut short... Only 20 mins compared to the usual 40. It's a pretty shitty situation for everyone involved. :(

The Wired piece wasn't debunked but was dismissed as unlikely because the plane made multiple turns after it passed the landing strip that piece speculates they were heading towards. Why wouldn't it land then? Why did it zig-zag to 2 different way points? Like the nutty conspiracies, that Wired piece ignores many facts.

Here's Slate debunking Wired: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html

thx bld

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/world/asia/experts-see-robust-radar-along-missing-jets-potential-path.html

Investigators say that automated signals from the jet, a Boeing 777, that were picked up by a satellite more than seven hours after the plane took off indicate that by then it must have been somewhere near one of two broad arcs on the map. One arc stretches from northern Thailand and Laos through China to Kazakhstan in Central Asia; the other extends from western Indonesia into the Indian Ocean west of Australia.

The northern arc crosses some of the most closely defended borders in the world. Experts on the radar systems in use in the area say that a Boeing 777, which has a large radar profile, would more likely than not have been detected by Chinese and Indian air defense forces and by American forces in Afghanistan.

China, the original destination for the flight, is guarded by military radar systems at high elevations in its border areas and even in its interior, where the People’s Liberation Army controls most of the country’s airspace. The border between India and Pakistan is highly militarized, and radar experts and Indian military officials discounted the possibility that a jetliner could pass through the area undetected. Farther northwest, the United States Air Force has its own radar installations in Afghanistan to protect air bases there from intruders.

Quite liked this one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/18/mh370_airliner_mystery_the_iel_regi_pubdinnerparty_guide/

you can be sure that if there was any evidence at all that the pilot was more than your average opposition supporter, the govt-aligned news orgs (including the one I work for) would be going all out on that front

I'm not saying they're withholding damning evidence - most likely they don't have any conclusive evidence yet. I'm just saying that based on the evidence we do have, the pilot so far is the only one with possible motive (embarrass the government) and means (flight simulator which would allow him to practice unusual sequences of operations).

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/03/18/malaysia-flight-promo/37bd51c35dac7197eab121fbdbbcb7880a0e4584/australia-artboard_1.png

^^^weird the text must be on a different layer.

Basically: Australian authorities identified 2 radar tracks that may have belonged to MH370 and believe the plane may have crashed off the coast of Perth and have set up a search plot in the white area.

pretty loose application of "off the coast of perth," but...yeah. why does the red arc become dotted there?

i take it that is the time extrapolation from the last satellite ping?

The plane probably ran out of ink. xpost

better scan for runways when they do a flyover

lol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26659951

Two objects have been seen that could possibly relate to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, Australian PM Tony Abbott has announced.

also, that goodfellow theory has been debunked: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-26640114

Press conference re: Abbott's announcement happening now

lol. i wouldn't be too bothered, it's a deflection ploy

Abbott's still a cunt, whether or not his military find the thing.

Well, yeah, that goes without saying

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