Malaysia Airlines MH370

these graphics are supposed to convey the enormity of the area it could be but i don't find them convincing

That is not what "enormity" means jftr.

Seems like searching for a needle in a haystack to me. I hope they do find it, for the sake of the families of those aboard.

Figure all we need to do is to tap the underwater sea aliens' seashell phone and we can find the plane... should be pretty easy for the US military to do in 2014!!

"But enormity is also frequently used interchangeably with enormousness, which means the quality of being great in size, number, or degree. This is not wrong, nor is it a new development; the OED lists examples of enormity used this way from as far back as the late 18th century, and plenty more examples are easily found in historical searches."

i axed the website grammarist- they said don't worry, its' cool.

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Gave up the enormity fight long ago

Ginormity

Interestingly énormité in French means both enormousness and something smaller than enormity, more like bad fuck-up or glaring mistake.

If it flew over the Maledives, isn't that towards Somalia, where pirates like to hijack oil tankers for money? Maybe they're diversifying into planes now?

the so-called "occam's razor" theory of an electrical fire that incapacitates the pilots while the plane continues on autopilot (after that sharp turn) brings to mind a horrifying scenario: is there any chance the plane carried on pilot-less for 7 freaking hours with alive/conscious passengers? please say no.

see the info on helios 522 above. it has happened before.

^ This scenario is similar to the one that was proposed in the first few days, of a hole in the front of the plane disabling the transponder / causing hypoxia in the cockpit / causing the plane to fly for 7 hours into the Sea of Japan

missed that. thanks. also: jfc

I keep thinking about Payne Stewart's hypoxia-related crash, where everyone on board was out and yet the plane stayed on autopilot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

Coincidentally, the plane continued on autopilot roughly the length of one huge circle drawn over the eastern us.

I think the problem is each new lead seems to embiggen the search area

Wouldn't hypoxia affect passengers also? I didn't think there was an airtight seal between the cockpit and the passenger area? In the Greek flight a non-cockpit crew member was seen going into the cockpit after the pilots were out, but he was soon overcome, which I took to mean he was already affected, but had more stamina than the pilots.

I keep on thinking of the ship of fools, though it is totally not fair to the passengers or to what has happened

I watched an ACI episode about that ill-fated Greek flight that was doomed by hypoxia. It was a horror show, literally more horrifying than some of the more dramatic crashes.

"embiggen the search area"

i believe you mean "enormen the search area"
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that hores was breathing i swear

At this point most inclined to believe the version of scenario that there was some kind of cabin fire which led to the electronics going off either directly or as some sort of procedure, then crew turned the plane around to point at nearest landing strip but then what, immediately lost oxygen along with all the passengers so nobody radioed or cellphoned status. Some seem to say this with debunked because why I don't get exactly: Keystroke course change instead of manual? Should have radioed first?

If it landed anywhere near Perth our navy will have picked everyone up and locked them up on Nauru so you know, maybe look there.

/sorrycrudehumour

One thing I keep coming back to (and why I'm not buying into the whole "this retired pilot from the 70s says there's one simple explanation for MH370's behavior!!!1" angle):

777 communication radios are quadruple redundant. 4 different types of communication powered by 4 separate/unlinked power sources located in 4 entirely different parts of the plane. Why would Boeing design that? Exactly because of emergency scenarios when part(s) of the aircraft is/are disabled mechanically, electrically or electronically. There is basically no chance that a 777 could lose power to all 4 methods of communication unless the entire plane was vaporized (which we know it wasn't as the engines continued pinging and it was picked up on radar for quite some time later).

Whomever would not be flying the plane (pilot or copilot) would be on the radio, in the very worst case scenario sending out a mayday/distress call on whichever comms method was available (I believe you can choose all available in the 777). But that of course is if both pilots were still piloting the plane.

It was leaked yesterday that the plane diverted from its intended course via a programmed code into the flight computer shortly after turning off the transponders/ACARS. That form of piloting is not an action taken out of desperate distress and speaks volumes about the why the investigation has been focusing on the pilot/copilot and anyone on the plane who has advanced knowledge of flying.

yeah, the only thing i feel certain about is that this was intentional.

It is certainly quite plausible that it was intentional. Think that some part of me wants to believe the hypoxia version because at least then there is some minimal closure to the story, whereas in the other version there are so many questions about why it was done and how did it play out.

Programming a code into the flight computer can be as simple as entering the call letters of the desired airport and pressing a git-r-done button. I think if the crew wanted to devote their time to fighting a fire (for example) this is what they'd do. No need to manually steer the plane while things are falling apart around you.

lol mordy fyi they can land a man on the moon but they can't cure the common cold

but that's because curing the common cold is more difficult

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/Fantasticvoyageposter.jpg

I think you meant to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3QAHZicSjQ

man we 20 yrs deep on coolio's dream, needs a remake.

Programming a code into the flight computer can be as simple as entering the call letters of the desired airport and pressing a git-r-done button. I think if the crew wanted to devote their time to fighting a fire (for example) this is what they'd do. No need to manually steer the plane while things are falling apart around you.

― nickn, Tuesday, March 18, 2014 6:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looks like according to some new info the route change was programmed n 12 min before their final verbal communication.

It was leaked yesterday that the plane diverted from its intended course via a programmed code into the flight computer

is how this is known explained anywhere?

Following yesterday's revelation that the plane's altered flight path had been programmed through a computer in the cockpit, it has been revealed today that those new coordinates were already in motion when co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid made the final radio contact – "All right, good night" – before the jet vanished.

The "new piece of the puzzle" was revealed by former Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Scott Brenner on Fox News, who said it was understood MH370 had turned and was heading west at 1.07am, 12 minutes before Mr Hamid's final words at 1.19am, at which time he would have been aware he had gone off course.

"One of the pilots clearly had the intention that he was going to take (the plane) in a different direction," Mr Brenner said.

"It was 100 percent clear that this pilot or co-pilot was going to take this plane with the intent of doing something bad."

former spokesman, eh?

http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140308-902237.html

I was also wondering how they would know about any flight path change, unless they actually tracked it when the plane was still communicating its position.

i feel like nothing i read about this whole situation is true

it seems every story about the flight management system computer is citing the nyt who have no details about exactly how this detail is known.

The details are laid out pretty clearly in the article that you just linked:

Flight 370’s Flight Management System reported its status to the Acars, which in turn transmitted information back to a maintenance base, according to an American official. This shows that the reprogramming happened before the Acars stopped working. The Acars ceased to function about the same time that oral radio contact was lost and the airplane’s transponder also stopped, fueling suspicions that foul play was involved in the plane’s disappearance.

ah ok... i wonder why the reprogramming went unknown until now then.

i mean, the status of the acars has been known for days.

Strange twist: political-family ties connect pilot Zaharie to Malaysia oppostion leader Anwar Ibrihim.

Zaharie attended Ibrihim's sodomy trial hours before MH370 took off.

Ibrihim has denied knowing Zaharie previously, but today admitted that he is related to his son-in-law and they've met on several occasions, underwater.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/flight-mh370-pilot-anwar-ibrahims-sodomy-trial-hours-before-take-off-1440736

LOL

Mordy you are high. Finding stuff in the fucking ocean will never not be extremely, extremely hard. Even airplanes.

no shit i mean we've had a few thousand years to work with and we still haven't identified all of the species that live in the ocean

Has this Wired piece been discussed/debunked yet? I'd like so very much for the conspiracy nonsense to be just that.

pilots: one startlingly simple trick to make your passenger plane vanish

Tin-hatty, but there is a chance, if there is a suspected or confirmed hijacking and the plane is safe somewhere, or even not safe, that authorities might be letting on less than they know as they track down people behind it. But it seems pretty unlikely they would keep everyone, including the families, in the dark for so long.

It does seems significant that the pilot was more closely involved in the political opposition than previously known and that he had attended the sentencing of its leader just hours before the flight. It does give a possible motive for trying to make the plane "disappear" - ie., in order to cause maximum embarrassment for the government.