2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

http://www.callipygia600.com/callnugget/alljokes/econmist.htm

it's sort of scary actually, although i guess if obama's ever short on can openers he'll know who to go to

/ oblique reference to a terrible joke about academic economists

-- Tracer Hand, Thursday, March 6, 2008 11:51 AM (51 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

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i seem to vaguely remember dean moving to head the dnc as a compromise to drop out of the race against kerry? there is an 82% chance i am making that up.

yeah that guy is the business (lol see wut i did)

xp abt reich

open secret is that reich is an obama man, btw

from wiki:

Dean was elected Chairman of the Democratic National Committee on February 12, 2005, after all his opponents dropped out of the race when it became apparent Dean had the votes to become Chair. Those opponents included former Congressman Martin Frost, former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, former Congressman and 9/11 Commissioner Tim Roemer, and strategists Donnie Fowler, David Leland, and Simon Rosenberg. Other prominent Democrats considered running but ultimately declined.

Many prominent Democrats opposed Dean's campaign; House Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Leader Harry Reid are rumored to be among them.

I though they appointed Dean to head the DNC because of his exemplary fundraising abilities as seen during his 2004 primary campaign?

who's "they"?

the 400-odd people who get to vote on the issue

I went and got the original footage from the Clinton ad, and then compared it to 3 different video clips of the same debate from 3 different sources. I did this so as to take into account any editing, or quality issues, that might have accounted for Obama having darker skin in any particular video. None of the 3 video sources I found showed Obama nearly as black as the Hillary ad does. Click the image above to see a larger version. Look at his lips. Look at his eyebrows. Look at how the red MSNBC background has turned more purple. Clearly the image was darkened. The question is "why."
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Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 4:26:47pm

hillary is a bad person. this isn't news to anyone what remembers whitewater wasn't about a blow job.
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Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 4:36:31pm

I won't vote for Hillary simply based on how much of a slimeball she's been. She's got so much desire that she's willing to put her ethics under a rug to get the presidency. We don't need another President with ethical issues.
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Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 5:13:44pm

I support Clinton's politics but I don't support the fact she seems so cutthroat.
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Tuesday, March 4, 2008 at 5:00:47pm

Don’t vote for cut-throat politicians!
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Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 10:57:09am

What I'm saying is... does Hillary's campaign really need to do this? She's said 4 times already that McCain would be better than Obama. What the Fuck is that? She should save the Bullshit for McCain. Look what happened to Kerry with all the swiftboat shit. Do we need Democrats doing the Karl Rove two step. Puhleeze.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2008 at 9:30:15pm

yup, ppl be hatin on hillary!! especially on teh intarweb

saying openly that the GOP nominee is a better pick than your primary opponent is totally unprecedented and really really fucked up, btw

http://brentroos.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/opp.jpg

oh, that picture was on this thread already. sorry.

Kathy Karpan, a former Democratic candidate for Wyoming governor who is one of Clinton’s leading supporters in the state:

“I think we can win,” Karpan said, citing “the connection that the Clintons have with people in our state,” a network of support built during their White House years, when they vacationed at Jackson Hole.

“We are going to do very well with the rank and file,” Karpan said. “The question is, will those people who get captivated by e-mails” — Obama supporters — “be willing to sit through the call to order, the nominating and seconding speeches. It takes a little bit of patience and interest in the process to do this,” she said.

uhhh didn't you just lose, like, 10 caucus states?

ppl captivated by emails vs ppl captivated by hanging out in jackson hole

http://www.toryhobson.com/new/image/0/0/1/fff/upload/bush-endorses-mccain.jpg

"captivated by emails" waht

seriously, what is that even supposed to mean?

anyone read the WaPo story on the internecine squabbling in the HRC camp? A poisonous environment, by all accounts.

Sully's been on a roll lately:

It's Bush-Cheney all over again, but less disciplined, more narcissistic, more cynical. And this campaign, in retrospect, has exhibited all these patterns. The press is marveling at the Clintons' near-death political experiences in this campaign. Doesn't it all feel creepily familiar? It's funny, isn't it, how these two characters, long steeped in politics as a way of life, still manage to create psychodramas on a regular basis. They both live to nearly fail completely, treating any sort of stable success as some kind of invitation to more risk-taking, and then always relishing the last-minute, nail-biting self-rescue. Before too long, the entire story becomes about them, their ability to triumph through crisis, even though the crises are so often manufactured by themselves. We are reliving the patterns of the 1990s again. Because they are now directing the drama.

Remember: Bill Clinton could have settled the Paula Jones lawsuit easily years before he put the entire country through the wringer. Remember: Hillary Clinton could have killed what turned out to be the Whitewater non-story at the very outset by disclosing everything she could. Remember: the Clintons could have prepared for primaries and caucuses after February 5, as any careful candidate would. They chose not to do any of these things. Not because they are incompetent. But because they live to risk. They need the drama of crisis. We are learning that they have not changed - despite the ludicrous idea that Hillary Clinton is somehow more stable and reliable than Barack Obama. The same desperate need for attention by unconsciously seeking out near-disaster is with us again.

did hillary really say that mccain would be a better prez? i don't remember seeing that.

She and McCain "offer a lifetime of experience" while Obama "made a speech in 2002" is the gist of it.

My family ran into former secretary of the interior James Watt on the streets of Jackson Hole while on vacation in 1988. This was second only to the vacation three years later in which my dad tried to get Rep. Gephardt's attention by shouting out "Hey Dick!" from beneath his Capitol office window.

Apologies if this has been posted already, this thread is way out of control.

The DNC may give MI and FL a do-over?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/dnc_encouraging_florida_and_mi.php

I guess it's supposed to be an electability argument but it's pretty weird to unleash a quote that could be used against YOURSELF in the g.e.

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

WTF? It's this kinda crap that somehow sticks in regular/simple folks' minds...

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(I only look at popbytes once in a while in case there's music news, honest!) :-)

ugggggggggh

obama raised $55 million in february:

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/barack_obamas_february_haul_ne.html

i think this is a serious argument to make to the superdelegates. clinton's no doubt done a fine job of fundraising february (b/c she finally figured out how to use the web for it), but obama's money-raising abilities are pretty remarkable to say the least

Wow, that Enquirer headline hits for a triple: Terrorism, Corruption and Infidelity!

woah, awesome

I dont think anyone had ever doubted the Cook County organization like Obamas would not be able to raise money. That is what they do best thru their patronage armies and bundlers. They may say 90% of the number of contributers were for less than $100 but the vast majority of their money is brought in thru bundlers and companies executives who all make $2600 donation along with their spouse. It works the same way as a lobbyist but they just call it bundlers instead for some reason.

Posted by: Vinny | March 6, 2008 2:35 PM

lol retard

if only other presidential candidates had been from cook county, then they would be bundling their way into record-shattering fund raising

the enquirer 'terrorist' connection -- it's obviously playing to islamofear to sell papers -- but if it's about William Ayers (former Weatherman), then that connection's already made been floated in the press and died due to the circumstantial insignificance of their paths crossing

so apparently just about all of obama's $55 million can be used for the primary. any word on how much of hillary's $35 is available? i didn't hear it mentioned in many reports

30,000 of her 45,000 donors were first timers i believe so probably a fair amount

(thats the amount since tuesday not Feb)

it would make sense for HRC to have raised thirty-five dollars.

ha, yea $35 million obviously

I know we're all reposting from TPM, but:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-clinton-final.jpg
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-obama-final.jpg

yeah duh to anybody paying attention to the world outside of kos/this thread

HE'S A FALL GUY

redux:

http://obeygiant.com/images/2008/03/obama_shep_print_final2.jpg

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/mccain-v-clinton-final.jpg

Imagine if Hillary doesn't win Arkansas. (Yeah, she was the first lady once, but is now kinda looked upon as a carpetbagger.)

That would be a 268-270 victory for HRC.

its only march homies

BIG HOOS, Lord Steendriver

Hmm, Obama's having a rally in Columbus on Monday. Might have to go check it out.

Reporter: Senator, Howard Wolfson this morning compared Barack Obama to Ken Starr. How do you think he's acting like Ken Starr?

Sen. Clinton: Well, I'm not going to respond to that.

ohio? seems a bit late for that.

or really really early.

xp nice

hooray!