Malaysia Airlines MH370

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?hp&_r=0

SEPANG, Malaysia — After four days of reticence and evasive answers, the Malaysian military acknowledged on Wednesday that it had recorded, but initially ignored, radar signals that could have prompted a mission to intercept and track a missing jetliner — data that vastly expands the area where the plane might have traveled.

More informed speculation about what might cause a transponder to stop transmitting:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-transponder/

a few more details on the Indian Ocean theory

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=22894802&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FKB1J9l4sPE

U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.

It will take another 24 hours to move the ship into position, a senior Pentagon official told ABC News.

"We have an indication the plane went down in the Indian Ocean," the senior official said.

The official said there were indications that the plane flew four or five hours after disappearing from radar and that they believe it went into the water.

Pentagon officials said that the USS Kidd was being moved at the request of Malaysia and is heading towards an area where the Indian Ocean and the Andaman Sea meet. It has helicopters aboard that can scour the area.

Ok, so now we're back to where we were 2 days ago with a hijacking/hypoxia scenarios?

Also noted: the three large chunks of debris spotted by Chinese satellites yesterday that was consistent with an aircraft disaster was confirmed as not-wreckage (floating islands of garbage?)

i'm just assuming the plane is in antarctica

Probably should check out nearby volcanic islands for secret SPECTRE rocket bases also.

WSJ has corrected their story:

"U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process."

This would jibe with the "indications" that are leading US to shift search area to Indian Ocean.

¯\(°_o)/¯

welp

So, to summarize, what we know one week later is that a plane is missing, and by golly, someone's got to find it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EuzXbndPNK0/UHmcXvjLJ7I/AAAAAAAAJm8/lbkyQsksTqw/s640/One+of+Our+Aircraft+Is+Missing+%5B1942.jpg

Btw, great place to nerd out on pilot jargon, technical lore and latest-breaking informed speculation:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-147.html

Great link!

does this help?

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5321ea30eab8ea0e51537934-909-682/unnamed-79.jpg

this is all so depressing b/c for all the heated debate about where the plane might have crashed, it seems a certainty that it did and that everyone on it has died.

yeah, I was holding out hope at least for the first day or so that maybe they survived and just had no cell phone access but their deaths seem a foregone conclusion now, sadly. a silver lining will at least be some closure for the families, but my guess is there are no survivors. still...who knows.

just saw my first FB friend say she thinks this is a gov't conspiracy/cover up, the humorous thing being that she thinks it happened before the crash, ie they were involved. O.....k. Though something has to be said for the way the Malaysian gov't and military have at times obfuscated details.

(though that points to ineptitude, not conspiracy)

Though something has to be said for the way the Malaysian gov't and military have at times obfuscated details.

They probably

1) haven't handled a crash of an internationally-bound passenger jet for a long time, if ever

2) probably aren't used to handling things with a lot of transparency

This is tacky and tasteless but may help diffuse the ridiculous frustration of losing a plane in the NSA/Big Brother age.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiouXtOCAAEcPTI.jpg

^^^Caption: Malaysian Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time (c) The Onion

shouldn't the plane be inside the cones? because it looks like it's violated the space-time continuum.

It should also resemble a DeLorean more closely

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TIME!:

Just because the engines were sending out pings, does that mean that the aircraft was in flight? Say the plane went down and the fuel lines and power were not damaged, the engines could still be running, yes?*

*source: LOST season 1 pilot episode.

And then I see this:
https://twitter.com/han_horan/status/444240397427306496

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/for/4370884298.html

It seems to be that the only (admittedly implausible) theory with no contradictions is that the plane landed somewhere and they're hiding it in a hangar, or somewhere else. Why is no one seriously discussing this possibility?

...could be an abandoned airport?

cos there's no way that happened

why?

bc when you hijack a plane it's generally bc you want everyone to know about it

xpost - what of what we know for sure would completely disprove that possibility?

daaavid

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/13/mh370_disappearance_could_the_missing_malaysia_airlines_plane_have_been.html

granted they could be in a place without reception or many of their batteries may have died but I would think someone would have been able to get in contact w/ someone if they had indeed landed elsewhere. Unless they were being held hostage, but being held hostage generally involves notifying the government that you have hostages in exchange for demands.

plus there's nothing to suggest it happened, and they're dealing with what is known, which is admittedly not much.

WSJ still sticking to its story that the plane was sending pings in real time for 5+ hours http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/03/14/malaysian-airlines-jet-left-data-trail-for-hours-after-disappearing/?mod=WSJBlog

xxxpost *generally* ...but we have no idea what would the people who did this (if it was the case) had in mind.

xpost - what of what we know for sure would completely disprove that possibility?

― daavid, Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:53 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the lack of any supporting proof that it happened! there's nothing, no evidence or anything, to support such a theory, currently. if and when there is, then it should be investigated.

evidence is they can't find the damn thing!

well nevermind, per dylann's article apparently they ARE looking into it! wow this case.

yeah but not being able to find it doesn't lend credence to any theory we think up, either!

I'm not saying there's evidence that it did happen. I'm saying there seems to be evidence against any other possible scenario.

I mean don't get me wrong, I want these folks to be alive as much as anyone. at this point, I don't even think I can surmise what is known and unknown, given all of the contradictory info.

BTW thanks for that link, dylann

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/malaysian-air-scale/

:/

I read the piece and the only thing that they're saying that would lead to contradicting evidence is that the engine transmission cannot be shut down by the pilot. But they could put the plane inside something that acts as a Faraday cage, right?

...but now looking at the map there seems to be a very good reason for them to not find the plane given the size of the area.

also, what if they purposely chose a flight path (and destination) with no cellphone reception?

so they flew to Wyoming?

Why is everyone looking down? "Ladies and gentlemen, we are floating in space"

Fallows: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/03/why-malaysia-airlines-370-remains-so-profoundly-mysterious-and-why-a-better-black-box-wouldnt-help/284407/

http://m.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-may-have-been-deliberately-diverted-to-andaman-islands-20140314-34sp1.html

Smh.com