ok, this is starting to make a lot more sense than "the plane flew for another hour over multiple air force bases and international airports in two different countries before crashing in a completely different body of water hundreds of miles of course".
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link
there was also this, which I hadn't heard about until I saw someone mention it in the gawker commentshttp://mashable.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-370-search-area/― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:36 PM (33 minutes ago)
http://mashable.com/2014/03/12/malaysia-airlines-370-search-area/
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, March 12, 2014 2:36 PM (33 minutes ago)
it was posted in img form upthread about 10 hours ago.
*shrug*
*killfiled*
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
ahh i was looking on my iphone, didn't see it.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 22:15 (ten years ago) link
also sorry, i can't tell if you were killfiling me for that transgression or implying i had killfiled my homie 龜 who previously posted it. the latter isn't correct, he's my bro 4 life, i just wanted to assure him of that.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link
What, did I just hear something? Hmmm... strange.
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lol
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link
:)
― 龜, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:19 (ten years ago) link
i feel like i just got the death penalty for jaywalking
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link
Ugh so if the Chinese satellite's photos are correct, I (think) that would put the wreckage right at the border between the South China Sea and the Gulf of Thailand
That puts a cloud of geopolitics over the incident - right now China's involved in a geopolitical dispute with pretty much all the SE Asia countries over who has control of the South China Sea (google "China nine dash line" for more infos)
I don't know if anybody would go so far as to accuse the Chinese government of withholding information but at the same time... I think this could be an angle?
― 龜, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link
I guess an explanation that is just as possible is taking some time to figure out whether pieces of wreckage that big could have come from a 777, which the NTSB seems to believe is not possible
― 龜, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:48 (ten years ago) link
i overheard a couple of people talking today how they suspected north korea might have shot the plane down since "they were flying right over north korea."
:/
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:50 (ten years ago) link
Haha that's insane and stupid
But not that far fetched if they had been a little bit farther north http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/05/world/asia/north-korea-missiles/
― 龜, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/search-for-missing-malaysian-airliner-latest-possible-lead-may-be-falling-through/
Search planes dispatched by Malaysia on Thursday to examine an area where Chinese satellite images show what might be debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner didn't spot any debris, CBS News has been told.
The planes had "nil sighting," the Malaysian air force director of operations said.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 March 2014 06:28 (ten years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282
WSJ reporting that US officials believe the plane could have flown for 4 more hours after contact was lost
― 龜, Thursday, 13 March 2014 06:55 (ten years ago) link
Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours, based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program.
I can't tell from the story if this is a confirmed fact or another theory
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 13 March 2014 07:12 (ten years ago) link
you'd think that landing,crashing, or fuel exhaustion would be discernible from that data
― POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 13 March 2014 07:18 (ten years ago) link
that article says the engine data is transmitted every 30 minutes. so if they have that data they'd know when the plane stopped transmitting (within half an hour) right? the article is kinda vague there.
― sleepingsignal, Thursday, 13 March 2014 08:07 (ten years ago) link
Raids on homes of crew deniedHussien’s sixth point was deny reports of raids on the homes of crew members. Reports suggesting that the Malaysian police searched the homes of the MH370 crew are not true. The Royal Malaysian police have issued a statement to that effect.
Hussien’s sixth point was deny reports of raids on the homes of crew members.
Reports suggesting that the Malaysian police searched the homes of the MH370 crew are not true. The Royal Malaysian police have issued a statement to that effect.
Not sure why they are so quick to deny that, I would have thought it was a legitimate line of enquiry in relation to possible suicide or malpractice by the crew.
― my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Thursday, 13 March 2014 10:45 (ten years ago) link
They also denied the WSJ's report that the plane may have flown for a few hours after losing contact
― 龜, Thursday, 13 March 2014 10:46 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370.html?hp&_r=0
SEPANG, Malaysia — After four days of reticence and evasive answers, the Malaysian military acknowledged on Wednesday that it had recorded, but initially ignored, radar signals that could have prompted a mission to intercept and track a missing jetliner — data that vastly expands the area where the plane might have traveled.
― 龜, Thursday, 13 March 2014 10:57 (ten years ago) link
More informed speculation about what might cause a transponder to stop transmitting:
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-transponder/
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 March 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link
a few more details on the Indian Ocean theory
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=22894802&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FKB1J9l4sPE
U.S. officials have an "indication" the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner may have crashed in the Indian Ocean and is moving the USS Kidd to the area to begin searching.
It will take another 24 hours to move the ship into position, a senior Pentagon official told ABC News.
"We have an indication the plane went down in the Indian Ocean," the senior official said.
The official said there were indications that the plane flew four or five hours after disappearing from radar and that they believe it went into the water.
Pentagon officials said that the USS Kidd was being moved at the request of Malaysia and is heading towards an area where the Indian Ocean and the Andaman Sea meet. It has helicopters aboard that can scour the area.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
Ok, so now we're back to where we were 2 days ago with a hijacking/hypoxia scenarios?
Also noted: the three large chunks of debris spotted by Chinese satellites yesterday that was consistent with an aircraft disaster was confirmed as not-wreckage (floating islands of garbage?)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
i'm just assuming the plane is in antarctica
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
Probably should check out nearby volcanic islands for secret SPECTRE rocket bases also.
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:34 (ten years ago) link
WSJ has corrected their story:
"U.S. investigators suspect Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 flew for hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, based on an analysis of signals sent through the plane's satellite-communication link designed to automatically transmit the status of onboard systems, according to people familiar with the matter. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said investigators based their suspicions on signals from monitoring systems embedded in the plane's Rolls-Royce PLC engines and described that process."
This would jibe with the "indications" that are leading US to shift search area to Indian Ocean.
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
¯\(°_o)/¯
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
welp
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
So, to summarize, what we know one week later is that a plane is missing, and by golly, someone's got to find it.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EuzXbndPNK0/UHmcXvjLJ7I/AAAAAAAAJm8/lbkyQsksTqw/s640/One+of+Our+Aircraft+Is+Missing+%5B1942.jpg
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 13 March 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link
Btw, great place to nerd out on pilot jargon, technical lore and latest-breaking informed speculation:
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-147.html
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 March 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
Great link!
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
does this help?
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/5321ea30eab8ea0e51537934-909-682/unnamed-79.jpg
― chinavision!, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
this is all so depressing b/c for all the heated debate about where the plane might have crashed, it seems a certainty that it did and that everyone on it has died.
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link
yeah, I was holding out hope at least for the first day or so that maybe they survived and just had no cell phone access but their deaths seem a foregone conclusion now, sadly. a silver lining will at least be some closure for the families, but my guess is there are no survivors. still...who knows.
just saw my first FB friend say she thinks this is a gov't conspiracy/cover up, the humorous thing being that she thinks it happened before the crash, ie they were involved. O.....k. Though something has to be said for the way the Malaysian gov't and military have at times obfuscated details.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
(though that points to ineptitude, not conspiracy)
Though something has to be said for the way the Malaysian gov't and military have at times obfuscated details.
They probably
1) haven't handled a crash of an internationally-bound passenger jet for a long time, if ever
2) probably aren't used to handling things with a lot of transparency
― espring (amateurist), Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
This is tacky and tasteless but may help diffuse the ridiculous frustration of losing a plane in the NSA/Big Brother age.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiouXtOCAAEcPTI.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:49 (ten years ago) link
^^^Caption: Malaysian Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time (c) The Onion
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
shouldn't the plane be inside the cones? because it looks like it's violated the space-time continuum.
― i'm cool with effective messaging (Hunt3r), Thursday, 13 March 2014 22:16 (ten years ago) link
It should also resemble a DeLorean more closely
― kate78, Thursday, 13 March 2014 22:18 (ten years ago) link
DEVIL'S ADVOCATE TIME!:
Just because the engines were sending out pings, does that mean that the aircraft was in flight? Say the plane went down and the fuel lines and power were not damaged, the engines could still be running, yes?*
*source: LOST season 1 pilot episode.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 March 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link
And then I see this:https://twitter.com/han_horan/status/444240397427306496
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 March 2014 23:40 (ten years ago) link
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/for/4370884298.html
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 13 March 2014 23:42 (ten years ago) link
It seems to be that the only (admittedly implausible) theory with no contradictions is that the plane landed somewhere and they're hiding it in a hangar, or somewhere else. Why is no one seriously discussing this possibility?
― daavid, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:48 (ten years ago) link
...could be an abandoned airport?
― daavid, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:49 (ten years ago) link
cos there's no way that happened
― Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:49 (ten years ago) link
why?
― daavid, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:51 (ten years ago) link
bc when you hijack a plane it's generally bc you want everyone to know about it
― Mordy , Friday, 14 March 2014 03:52 (ten years ago) link
xpost - what of what we know for sure would completely disprove that possibility?
― daavid, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:53 (ten years ago) link
daaavid
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/13/mh370_disappearance_could_the_missing_malaysia_airlines_plane_have_been.html
― dylannn, Friday, 14 March 2014 03:54 (ten years ago) link