More spooky!
Adding another wrinkle to the case, the Wall Street Journal reports that airliners "such as the Malaysian jet also carry emergency beacons to transmit the aircraft's location in the event of a mishap so that rescue teams can reach the site."These beacons, called emergency locator devices, are activated by impact on land or water, along with other emergency communications equipment. Malaysia's aviation regulator said no signals were received from flight MH370's beacon.
These beacons, called emergency locator devices, are activated by impact on land or water, along with other emergency communications equipment. Malaysia's aviation regulator said no signals were received from flight MH370's beacon.
― That's So (Eazy), Monday, 10 March 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
Xps, most people who can't get a visa aren't criminals, they're people who are perceived as likely to want to settle in the destination country. If you're Nigerian, living in Malaysia or Thailand temporarily and want to see family in Europe, a fake passport is probably one of the easier ways. I've known teachers coming to conferences get denied visas for a brief stay because they are considered from 'high risk' immigration countries.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 10 March 2014 18:23 (ten years ago) link
UK, US, and some other country.
The other country is Australia. It's actually the airlines that do the checks for flights to/from those countries either because it is mandated of (in the case of the UK) the airline gets heavily fined for bringing someone to immigration without proper documentation.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 10 March 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-sabotage-most-common-factor-in-en-route-accidents-396830/
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 10 March 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/10/malaysia_airlines_passports_travel_agent_says_tickets_for_men_traveling.html
― Mordy , Monday, 10 March 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
da-da-da!
what does that sound effect mean?
― dylannn, Monday, 10 March 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
sorry, corny comment on fabricated espionage/international drama angle
― Mordy , Monday, 10 March 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link
i read it as the sound when link finds the map or compass or key in a chest.
-- people moving esp into china from a southeast asian country on a fraudulent or stolen passport isn't shocking at all. the flight also doesn't seem like a serious terrorist target, originating in a muslim state and landing in china. it's not at the top of my list for potential causes.
-- the talk of xinjiang-related terrorism and mentioning the kunming attack is crazy, too, i think, and shows a lack of understanding of the situation of xinjiang separatist or even islamist or whatever terrorism in china.
― dylannn, Monday, 10 March 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link
Good summary so far: http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/11/mh370-known-unknown-facts/
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 March 2014 23:44 (ten years ago) link
One of the people on a stolen passport was an Iranian kid who wanted to migrate to Europe.
http://i.imgur.com/T254OOk.jpg
Not a great resemblance to Balotelli, tbh.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 08:56 (ten years ago) link
IIRC, Iranians don't need visas to get into Malaysia so it's a popular transport hub to Europe for illegal migrants.
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 08:58 (ten years ago) link
guy on the left maybe Ronaldo-ish
― first rule of franco club (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:02 (ten years ago) link
nearly punched a student in the pub last night giving out the most whitebread blatherwitted bollocks about this to his friends re: Malaysia
― first rule of franco club (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:03 (ten years ago) link
The other country is Australia
Yep, this. I used to work at the passport office/DFAT. We were extremely thorough about this stuff and our passports use the 2 row digital code and all the fancy new watermarked plastic and such, but I guess if there's a ton of countries not even bothering to crosscheck these things on an Interpol database, kind of whats the point?
I'd assume, as it appears is the case here, a large majority of these are for immigration purposes. And then possibly trafficking of people and/or parents spiriting kids away from ex partners (based on my experience seeing this stuff in action anyway)
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:06 (ten years ago) link
Yeah the more details that come out about the stolen passports the less credence I give (if I gave any at all) to that angle being related to terrorism
Elvis' link OTM in that the only reason it's even in play at all is because we literally know absolutely nothing about what happened
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:08 (ten years ago) link
the other country is uae wrt interpol passport database
i agree the stolen passports are most likely a red herring. though i imagine there are a fair few people rubbing their hands in glee at the iranian connection
i think the only reason xinjiang came up was because there was something about one of the artists on board being uyghur and the chinese state media blacking out his name to avoid causing panic? something like that
then there's the five passengers who checked in but didn't fly. i don't fly that often but it's pretty normal to have a number of absentees on flights right?
shit like this chills me to the bone but it's impossible not to want to speculate
― missingNO, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:38 (ten years ago) link
The passenger who was a uyghur was actually a CCP official I think
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:40 (ten years ago) link
Even the airliners.net folks have run out of steam... One speculation is that the crew became hypoxic - bleurgh...
Reminded of these:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Air_Flight_574https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 09:49 (ten years ago) link
Brief article on stolen passports on Radio 4 last night, they said that Spain tried to adopt a system like the US after the Madrid bombing but it was abandoned on the grounds of cost and that no air carrier would support it for fear of it deterring customers.
The US are the only country that takes it really seriously, even in the UK and Aus the check is entirely delegated to air carriers and they take it seriously at they think they have to demonstrate - the US has grounded planes in foreign countries before apparently the federal government weren't happy they had all the details, and they also require it for flights to Mexico and the Caribbean as they are claimed to be US air space.
― Ian Glasper's trapped in a scone (aldo), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:14 (ten years ago) link
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/03/11/the-difficulty-and-mystery-of-mh370-search-explained-in-two-graphics/
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:21 (ten years ago) link
Police chief now saying that apart from one woman who missed the flight completely, everyone who booked a ticket boarded the plane. No explanation about the five passengers mentioned earlier. I don't even know what to think anymore.
Anyway, once I missed a flight after I checked in early, because I lost track of time reading at the airport cafe and didn't hear them paging for me. Arrived at the gate just in time to see them take my luggage out of the plane. -_- Dumbest and prob the most expensive mistake I've ever made.
Five people doing it at once though... seems kind of unlikely, but I guess it's possible if they were travelling in a group.
― Roz, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:43 (ten years ago) link
i spent about an hour today at work reading wikipedia pages about aviation disasters
― all is fair in love and womp (monotony), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah I did that yesterday :(
― μ thant (seandalai), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link
Really don't know much about this stuff but seems like the most plausible explanation so far? http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/post/79214607814/my-recommendation-to-the-ntsb
― Roz, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:01 (ten years ago) link
Wow
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:07 (ten years ago) link
a horrifying possibility.
― how's life, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:12 (ten years ago) link
Turns out the aviation chief wasn't comparing their looks to Balotelli at all: he was using Balotelli to make a point about race and nationality not being the same thing, re: his "not Asian-looking" comment.
“Do you know a footballer by the name of Bartoli (sic)? He’s an Italian. Do you know what he looks like? Balotelli,” he told reporters late on Monday.“I don’t want to dwell about this but they (nationality and race) are not the same thing.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j4-AFCn1jZNe3jDmr0d6r-ab5B3A?docId=20d66805-865b-428e-9a8a-ea382e9ea846
― Alba, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 13:18 (ten years ago) link
Roz that is fascinating/scary, but I gotta say that it beats the hell out of all the other ways to die in an airplane that I can think of, just drift off slowly.
― sleeve, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
I remember watching live coverage of this hypoxic plane on autopilot on TV:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:25 (ten years ago) link
was that the payne stewart plane?
― balls, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
yep and from the "Similar Incidents" on that wiki page:
2000 Australia Beechcraft King Air crashMain article: 2000 Australia Beechcraft King Air crash
On September 4, 2000 a Beechcraft 200 Super King Air departed from Perth, Australia, destined for Leonora, a mining town 370 miles (600 km) away, carrying seven passengers plus the pilot.[13][14] After 22 minutes of flight, the aircraft had passed through its assigned altitude. It was at this point that Air Traffic Control noticed that the pilot's speech had become significantly impaired and he was unable to respond to instructions.[13] Communications continued with the pilot for a further eight minutes before he lapsed into unconsciousness and no sounds of life on board could be heard.[13]
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link
so the plane crashed on camera? jesus
― you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
(CNN) -- [Breaking news update at 1:23 p.m. ET]
The Malaysian Air Force has traced the last known location of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 to a spot above Pulau Perak, a very small island in the Straits of Malacca and hundreds of miles from the usual Kuala Lumpur to Beijing flight path, according to a senior Malaysian Air Force official. The official declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media.
If the Malaysian Air Force data cited by the source is correct, the aircraft was flying the opposite direction from its scheduled destination and on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula from its scheduled route.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
which is to say if this is true, that possibility Roz cited seems vv plausible
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
wow, that is radically off course.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
I don't think autopilot would take a plane that far off vector though.
When autopilot disengages the plane would basically go straight down, not loop back in a reverse direction hundreds of miles off course.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:00 (ten years ago) link
maybe it's possible that the pilot attempted to turn it around manually and then engaged autopilot at some point, not due to any logical reason but due to disorientation due to lack of oxygen? cf "mumbling" and what not.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
i'm no pilot obv.
what a crazy story.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
The pilot would need to report/radio any change of course before taking it off vector. That type of drastic redirection is simply not something you do without telling anyone. Even in dire, dire, dire aircraft emergencies, the pilot or co-pilot is constantly monitoring and reporting over the radio even in the black. They were not in the black though, there are several dozens of air traffic control stations/airports across Northern Malaysia, Southern Thailand and Southern Vietnam.
Crazy indeed.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
This is starting to seem a lot more like hijacking - either by passengers or with collusion of one or more of the crew. Turning off the transponder, flying below radar in the opposite direction of planned route...
― o. nate, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
Meanwhile this sounds weird.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/Airline-probing-report-2-visited-cockpit-in-2011-5306680.php
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140311134342-flight-course-00001224-story-top.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/11/article-2578146-1C31386700000578-612_634x382.jpg
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
player's ball
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:26 (ten years ago) link
is that Samantha Fox in the middle?
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:26 (ten years ago) link
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based on this it seems likely that they decided to turn back to kuala lampur but lost control of the plane for some reason after that?
why is the new radar info/location just being released
― Thanks in anticipation of your opinions (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
According to the Malaysian Air Force official, who declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media
― Thanks in anticipation of your opinions (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link