Wasn't there something in the China study about this false idea we need so much protein (esp meat protein)? iirc something about high amounts being somewhat toxic
― just1n3, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link
so.. i stopped being paleo and ballooned up.
― homosexual II, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
I gave up being quasi-paleo about six months ago. I put on a few pounds but probably only the water weight that I lost with paleo. Now I'm yo-yoing around 5lbs this way or that. H-II, have you read about this theory that some people who did well on paleo are possibly not carb intolerant but FODMAP intolerant? I haven't read enough to have any idea what to make of it.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I've heard about FODMAPS. I am trying to minimize any food restrictions, though, I get way too obsessive and orthorexic about 'health food'
maybe someday!
― homosexual II, Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
Same here, and it screws up my social life because if I'm on some food program or diet, while I'll eat whatever food is available, I'll resent it and never want to go out. No more of that. I've been trying instead to normalize certain MUST EAT IT ALL NOW TO GET RID OF IT foods, but that's for another thread.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 5 June 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
Here's an account of the study that found all non-Celiac "gluten intolerance" is actually FODMAP indigestion.
Table 1 of this paper offers a guide for those interested in a low FODMAP diet:
Evidence‐based dietary management of functional gastrointestinal symptoms: The FODMAP approach
There's an interesting angle that some of these FODMAPs are also prebiotics that encourage growth of beneficial bifidobacteria and lactobacillus over firmicutes and enterobacteria.
― panic disorder pixie (Sanpaku), Thursday, 5 June 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
fodmap diet is hardcore, I'm kinda afraid of it
that stuff makes me too ocd, i just need to find my own way without getting crazy
i did discover that chicory does a real number on me after a clif bar gave me horrible cramps, that was new
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 June 2014 01:24 (ten years ago) link
do we have or do we want a 'food: finding our own way without getting crazy' thread? or are we better off just embedding that everywhere we can?
― ljubljana, Friday, 6 June 2014 02:08 (ten years ago) link
oh no i would be down with that
i'd like to think there's a lot of restriction exhaustion going around?
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 June 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link
FODMAPs and gluten and paleo and no legumes and no meat and don't eat tuna and "my knees hurt if I eat corn-finished beef but not grass-finished" and DHA/EPA balance and etc etc etc
kind of all goes heavily toward Pollan on nutritionism plus the wisdom of "eat food, not too much, mostly plants"
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 June 2014 04:14 (ten years ago) link
please give me a normal food thread, did we start one? I am on the 'eat whatever I want' diet right now and I actually feel really good
― homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link
what I'd really like is to have a safe space to discuss food issues, yummy food, without people citing too many studies and etc (sorry Sanpaku but it gives me anxiety) -- like vegemitegrll I have a tendency to go WAY OVERBOARD with restriction and tip into orthorexia
― homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
Just join us on the what's cooking thread! I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that this stuff makes me feel neurotic too, so I have avoided this thread until I saw today that there was a request for food talk minus neurosis.
― La Lechera, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link
i think the what's cooking thread is perfect for general food discussion - it's always v positive and interesting
― just1n3, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link
I remember you talking about how 'detox' talk (can't remember if that was it exactly?) made you anxious, LL, and at the time I didn't understand, but ever since bouncing the paleo scene, I am subscribed to all these Paleo FB pages, and it all gives me so much anxiety.. plus I have a few militant vegan FB friends who also post a lot about the China Study etc etc and AHHHH THERE IS SO MUCH INFO AND SO MANY 'GURUS' AND ITS JUST... EXHAUSTING. i'll join the cooking thread!
― homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
all "detox" claims are 100% bullshit tbh
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
yep
― homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
I got nervous about starting a normal food thread because derailment potential seemed great. The What's Cooking thread is fantastic. I like the idea of occasionally using that to talk about finding a way of eating that makes you happy without resorting to restriction.
― ljubljana, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
yeah that's a good idea, that's a good place to hang without studies or too much stressful crazytalk
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link
I don't go orthorexia or too restrictive, if I start paying attention to the studies and gurus I just say "fuck it" and eat the same unhealthy shit as ever - appeasing all of the gurus and shit would be impossible.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 12 June 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
if I collect all the studies, the guru's advice, and compared... I think the only safe thing to eat might be... steamed broccoli?
― homosexual II, Thursday, 12 June 2014 22:54 (ten years ago) link
I think all roads inevitably lead to a) get busy with the enemas or b) drink yr own urine or c) some kinda weird combo of both
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link
broccoli makes some people farty. i've been just eating what i want to eat lately and it makes me binge on garbage a lot less. reading about studies makes me want to throw up.
― flatizza (harbl), Thursday, 12 June 2014 23:00 (ten years ago) link
I'm interested in some of the studies insofar as they might give me ideas about ways of eating I could try, and see if they feel good for ME. I'm just not interested in trying to perfectly (or even imperfectly) reflect them in the way I eat. Especially not in cutting anything out.
― ljubljana, Friday, 13 June 2014 02:15 (ten years ago) link
I'm trying to learn to cook fancy-ish. Eating better because I did something cool beats listening to people argue about legumes, and I've wound up cutting way back on processed foods anyway.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 June 2014 06:03 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/fashion/the-paleo-lifestyle-the-way-way-way-back.html?rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin®ion=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article
Paleo, more than just food, its a lifestyle
Ms. Tam, a confessed television addict, decided to cut out all electronic devices after 8 p.m. If she has to check her iPhone, she wears amber goggles to block the blue-spectrum light that she believes interferes with her circadian rhythms. Next, she turned her bedroom into the equivalent of a Lascaux cave, removing all clocks (her two young sons serve as her morning alarm, she said) and installing blackout window inserts.
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For those who spend their day rearing children, the primal impulse has made major inroads into parenting, too. Websites like The Primal Parent extol corn-syrup-free trick-or-treating, baby slings for “attachment parenting” and placenta-eating for new mothers.
Unstructured play, in particular, has become a cherished concept among Paleo-minded parents like Ms. Phelps, the Oregon devotee, who argued that “play is the method by which all mammals learn.”
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 September 2014 19:26 (ten years ago) link
There's some threads of truth woven throughout all of that, it's just taken to a crazy level of scrupulosity/obsession/control for control's own sake. Play IS the best way to learn, slings DO build parent/child body rhythms through scent and heartbeat and the swaying and vestibular stimulation of walking and moving. People who have trouble sleeping should think about light and stimulation, whatever.
Where it turns crazy is in the idea that you can perfect yourself and your living conditions? Like when the pursuit of some perfect or move evolved state takes precedence over...everything else?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 20 September 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
I agree
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 September 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link
And the desire to simplify stuff that isn't simple. More play = better. 'Play' = the same thing for all kids. 'Learning' is always best done the same way, regardless of what it is we're talking about learning. If a child rarely got into any kind of play, you'd be rightly worried - but some kids are little fantasists doing pretend play every minute and wanting adults to join in, and others are more into stuff like figuring out how things work by taking them to bits or helping 'sweep the floor'. (I'm using fraternal twins of my acquaintance as my inspiration here). A lot of researchers claim play is directly crucial to children’s healthy development, others think it's one of many routes to healthy development, or that it comes about as a result of other factors that drive development.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 20 September 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
High Maintenance, 'Qasim' very very relevant herehttp://vimeo.com/79948720
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 20 September 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
But Paleos tend to look the other way on vodka (particularly potato vodka, which is free from all associations with gluten) and 100 percent agave tequila (hey, it’s cactus).
Pinterest, in fact, is brimming with Paleo cocktail recipes, like the Paleo Strawberry Daiquiri, courtesy of Paleo Girl’s Kitchen. It is made with organic strawberries, ice, fresh-squeezed orange juice, rum and honey.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 September 2014 21:08 (ten years ago) link
An ex started doing this two years ago. She's not rigid, but follows the basics religiously (no bread, no pasta, no beans, hardly any potatoes). You can't find a more skeptical person like me when it comes to this stuff, but she has lost 30lbs and is looking more healthy than I've ever seen her before. It's quite remarkable. She tried loads of diets before and it always failed. This, she says, isn't even really dieting, as in not depriving yourself of things. But her transformation is truly remarkable.
― definite classic, predicting a solid 8/10 from the p-fork boys (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 20 September 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
I'm basically on this damn diet out of necessity and I'm not going to lie, there are upsides. But if those foods didn't cause me pain and suffering? I'd eat a fucking pizza once in a while.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 20 September 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link
Some of the less caveman-obsessed paleo people are starting to come around on some bullshit like 'no legumes.' That's the part of (aside from feeding into questionable intolerance/allergen paranoia - not even gluten so much as nightshades) paleo that never made any sense to me - whatever perceived negatives there are of legumes are cancelled out by cooking the damn things.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 20 September 2014 22:33 (ten years ago) link
paleo parenting? isn't low infant mortality sort of not paleo
― goole, Monday, 22 September 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
the person who runs this blog just followed me on twitter randomly and... i dunno, wau
http://drbganimalpharm.blogspot.co.uk/
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 17 January 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link
I am sitting in a cafe that sells, and facilitates loud conversations about, bulletproof coffee. I'm not sure how I'm going to get along in this neighbourhood.
― ljubljana, Saturday, 17 January 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link
I don't know about that blogger. An obsession with the exact proportions of various species of bacteria in one's gut as a profound indicator of one's health or lack thereof seems a bit ott.
― Aimless, Saturday, 17 January 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link
i read a story on bulletproof coffee on a local news blog and the comments section is making me think there is substantial overlap w/anti-vaccine loons among the bulletproof crowd.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 00:39 (nine years ago) link
there's definitely a narcissistic crossfit/paleo/antivax nexus out there that reminds me of the "save our precious bodily fluids" guy in dr. strangelove
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 00:58 (nine years ago) link
in knoxville tennessee there is a new "paleo cafe" a 10-minute drive from my parents' place on an unpromising stretch of highway, home to failed thrift stores, a long-standing subway franchise, a CVS and a megachurch. this cafe serves surprisingly good food but shares a wall with a crossfit/lifting situation, so as you're waiting for your avocado and egg served on an almond flour waffle you hear what sounds like a datsun being dropped from a two-story building every 3 or 4 minutes, it's utterly unnerving. "you get used to it" says the waitress. "RRRRAAAAGGGH" says someone from the other side of the wall. "the water's reverse osmosis," she says. "ok."
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 28 January 2015 01:04 (nine years ago) link
is this guy nuts or
https://twitter.com/johndurant/status/618795070569852928
― goole, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link
scroll down for mentions of erections, tim ferriss
― goole, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
ha. i have a mild but very persistent skin problem (and taking probiotics has tended to help a lot) so im very tempted to try this! it's expensive though.
― ryan, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link
huh! what a thing
― goole, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link
it's funny though i think a lot of stuff like this is basically a work around to actually, you know, eating and living in a healthy manner.
― ryan, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
(and, surely, not being overly exposed to antibiotics)
― ryan, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
Just use baking soda ftw.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link
microbiome stuff and the human body is pretty fascinating and seems to open the door to a whole new way of understanding health and nutrition, but it's gonna be the wild west out there with the hucksterism.
― ryan, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
the guy who started aobiome is the same guy who started a big ALS research non-profit after his brother died from it
― just1n3, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link