neither of those games are ugly!
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:57 (twelve years ago)
i really like the way hotline miami looks (as discussed above) but otherwise i generally agree that minimalism often just means no aesthetic vision worth discussing. on that note, braid is like the ugliest game ever made. by contrast, Michael Brough games are "ugly" but gorgeous + aesthetically perfect in their ugliness.
― Mordy , Thursday, 20 February 2014 21:57 (twelve years ago)
i definitely don't wanna shit on Thomas, haven't played it and it seems like people don't like the art for the wrong reasons. Meant it more generally (looking at things like Threes on one hand and things like Retro City Challenge or Meat Boy or whatever on the other).
Hotline Miami looks super cool PRECISELY b/c it is not "minimalist"!
And Braid was kinda hideous but at least it was hideous in a new, risky way -- imagine it looked like meat boy, ugh ugh ugh
― I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:03 (twelve years ago)
The character design on Braid was weird, sure, but the backgrounds were so pretty!
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:08 (twelve years ago)
#67 (tie): Tearaway – Vita – 10 pts – 1 votes - TOP VITA EXCLUSIVE
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Website | Metacritic | Metro UK | PlayStation Lifestyle | Trailer
Tearaway is a world of rustling paper constructs, crinkling and curling and flapping with the lovingly hand-touched flutter of stop-motion animation. Everything here is made of paper. The trees, the cities, the sky, the creatures. A windy seaside city with frothing waves clutching at the shore is rendered entirely in paper. Confetti is the currency. Sometimes you’re tasked with using a simple system of cutting shapes out of construction paper to lend this world your own interpretation of fire, stars, or snowflakes. - Tom Chick, Quarter to Three
Tearaway is fun - Sgt. Biscuits
― polyphonic, Thursday, 20 February 2014 22:16 (twelve years ago)
I haven't finished Tearaway yet but I voted for it, played another chunk today actually and I love it more and more. I think it has a great solution to the user-generated-content idea, which has always failed before for me because it's usually off in its own little corner and I never bother spending any time there. But Tearaway regularly insists that you stop platforming for a minute to customise the way a scarecrow's face will look for the rest of the game, or to decorate a pig you're about to ride around on, or to design a flag that'll then keep appearing through the rest of the level. There's a lovely bit where you enter the snowy level (it's still a 3D platformer after all) and an NPC says "bah, white snowflakes are boring, design us a more interesting one" and then the snowflake you make becomes all the snowflakes that drift around that whole mountain. The further you go into the game the more it feels like you really are running around in a world you've made yourself.
Also the music (and general atmosphere) are LOVELY, it's perfect English pastoral (recorders, modal scales, occasional mentions of mummers etc). So that all pushes my buttons too.
Plus the fun hardware-based gimmicks like getting you to poke your fingers through the back of the console right into the screen etc, all lovely little moments.
Can't recommend it enough tbh, I scored everything with a flat 10 points this year but this was actually very close to being my game of the year.
― JimD, Friday, 21 February 2014 01:08 (twelve years ago)
many xposts, but do ppl on here play fallen london???
― cardamon, Friday, 21 February 2014 01:34 (twelve years ago)
the art in thomas seemed really tied to the gameplay (at least for the characters). like i can't imagine the same game if there were actually interesting looking main character sprites?
― eric banana (s.clover), Friday, 21 February 2014 01:58 (twelve years ago)
^ yeah this exactly, ilthe game dynamics actually require the character design to be that way, it's not just aesthetic laziness.
― JimD, Friday, 21 February 2014 02:01 (twelve years ago)
#66: Animal Crossing: New Leaf – 3DS – 10 pts – 1 votes - 1 top game votes
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Same as most Nintendo stuff these days, this is just the same game again except a bit better. In the past though I've always played solo and the fun has come from sending rude notes to cute bunnies. What made it great this time was playing it as a proper family game, we had two parents and a child all living in the same village, working towards shared goals, competing in bug hunts or fishing tournaments, comparing furniture collections. One letter I got from our little lad was so amazingly cute that it wasn't just a favourite gaming moment ever, it was probably a favourite parenting moment. So yeah, my game of the year. - JimD.
― polyphonic, Friday, 21 February 2014 02:12 (twelve years ago)
hi will m i also w0rk for a vg gjbdfgjdbf;gkjd i am terrified to post this
― a commentary on self-absorbed youth culture in the social media age (zachlyon), Friday, 21 February 2014 04:17 (twelve years ago)
i rly need a new username but i've branded this one so well!!
hahahahaha WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO US
― I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Friday, 21 February 2014 14:08 (twelve years ago)
― cardamon, Friday, February 21, 2014 1:34 AM (14 hours ago)
It's been included in the poll a couple of times. I think most people got bored of it, though, but I still play it sporadically.
― emil.y, Friday, 21 February 2014 16:24 (twelve years ago)
for me i see no real separation between hotline miami and retro city rampage in pure ugliness, in fact i could have included retro city rampage in the same rant - again, part of my ire for hotline is that it just straight up should NEVER have been ported to console, its basically unplayable imo. or i suck. or both.
wrt thomas was alone, the minute i saw "minimalist design" and "narrator" i knew it was not a game for me, as the worlds biggest hater of that super narrated thing from last year that i have apparently blocked from my memory. so, the biggest and only draw of a game is the awesome (hint: probably not awesome) narrator? well make a fucking text adventure then.
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Friday, 21 February 2014 17:23 (twelve years ago)
you did include it, i just got rid of it. sorry!
― polyphonic, Friday, 21 February 2014 17:26 (twelve years ago)
retro city rampage is purely directed homage/reference/Family Guy-style 8-bit ugliness, won't argue for that one, it is what it is
hotline miami though is this delicious stew, everything from the grotesquely detailed bloody pixel animations and the weird intense music and the saturated colors, it's all quite deliberate and artful, if often ugly. side note: i wonder the creators were into skateboarding as kids, the aesthetic definitely reminds me of that era
― Nhex, Friday, 21 February 2014 17:33 (twelve years ago)
bastion, that was the one from last year i hated. wise old narrator bullshit blahhhhh
like portal i guess has a narrator of sorts, but its done right, nearly everyone else gets it horrendously wrong, i get the feeling that the stanley parable might do it pretty well but my mac is the equivalent of a treadle driven sewing machine at this point so i will never actually know.
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Friday, 21 February 2014 18:11 (twelve years ago)
holy shit even refurbed Macs are expensive, what the hell
― sent as gassed to onto rt dominance (DJP), Friday, 21 February 2014 18:20 (twelve years ago)
stanley parable narrator is okay, just barely this side of not embarrassing
― Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 18:24 (twelve years ago)
I liked Thomas Was Alone just due to the contrast between the stripped-down design vs the lives all these blocks were living, as imparted by the narrator.
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Friday, 21 February 2014 18:37 (twelve years ago)
apparently i own thomas was alone from some past humble bundle so i will play it now
― Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 18:38 (twelve years ago)
still hoping Steam Machines will come through decently I can still keep Mac'in away, but thankfully 90% of these higher profile indie games go Mac now. i think Stanley Parable is planned, and Antichamber just got ported for Humble Bundle, I see
i should try Thomas Was Alone, too
― Nhex, Friday, 21 February 2014 18:48 (twelve years ago)
stanley parable definitely already ported. i have it on steam + have played it on my mac
― Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 18:53 (twelve years ago)
yeah stanley isn't "about" the narrator like other games of the ilk are "about" it -- at least not all the time. it has a lot more surprises packed in it.
― I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Friday, 21 February 2014 19:04 (twelve years ago)
oh nice, i didn't realize. come on HIB 12!
― Nhex, Friday, 21 February 2014 19:22 (twelve years ago)
Hotline Miami had some kind of narrative thing going on but 90% of the game is in the gameplay, which is fast and viscous yet at the same time not unlike figuring out a puzzle.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 February 2014 19:56 (twelve years ago)
sorry if i am coming off as a hater in this thread, not trying to be a dick i just have my own hangups i guess abt game design
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Friday, 21 February 2014 22:58 (twelve years ago)
I think the core of your point is completely correct. We're just never going to agree which nostalgic games are the terrible ones.
― polyphonic, Friday, 21 February 2014 23:01 (twelve years ago)
NES emulation proves that you can't go home again.
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Friday, 21 February 2014 23:02 (twelve years ago)
but SNES emulation + N64 emulation are fantastic
― Mordy , Friday, 21 February 2014 23:03 (twelve years ago)
hotline miami is basically unplayable with a gamepad, though, so the critique makes sense.
― papa smango (fadanuf4erybody), Friday, 21 February 2014 23:18 (twelve years ago)
the game doesn't actually play anything like a(ny) NES game though. it doesn't look like a gamepad was in mind for that all, and they shoehorned it in
― Nhex, Saturday, 22 February 2014 00:45 (twelve years ago)
NES emulation is great for the great games, just like any other system
This discussion is making me want to try out the game just so I can pick a side
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 22 February 2014 01:16 (twelve years ago)
cardamon i still play fallen london every day and i have for about a year now
― a commentary on self-absorbed youth culture in the social media age (zachlyon), Saturday, 22 February 2014 02:19 (twelve years ago)
i really don't know why anymore
Noooooooo I have just realized I committed a terrible error on my ballot by not realizing that a particular game came out in January fuck
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:07 (twelve years ago)
If it hasn't showed up yet i can adjust
― polyphonic, Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:09 (twelve years ago)
Haha well it's me so of course it hasn't showed up "yet"
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:12 (twelve years ago)
Message sent, ignore if it's a pain in the ass
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:18 (twelve years ago)
you can always revote for it next year
― Nhex, Saturday, 22 February 2014 04:31 (twelve years ago)
Oh that was unclear, didn't realize something came out in jan 2013
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Saturday, 22 February 2014 07:04 (twelve years ago)
If it came out in January 2013 there isn't a problem.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 22 February 2014 07:05 (twelve years ago)
No no, it came out in 1/13 and I failed to vote for it, hence the problem
― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Saturday, 22 February 2014 07:09 (twelve years ago)
Aaaaaaaah. I thought you were saying you voted for something that wasn't eligible. Late night comprehension is poor.
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 22 February 2014 07:17 (twelve years ago)
I BEAT HOTLINE MIAMI ON A PS VITA IT ISNT SO BAD ON DUAL STICKS
― I've Seen rRootage (Will M.), Saturday, 22 February 2014 09:53 (twelve years ago)
oh damn, that is legit impressive. i figured that doing it with a touchpad instead of mouse was a pain in the ass, but can't imagine.
― papa smango (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 22 February 2014 16:16 (twelve years ago)
Yeah i was convinced mouse+keys is the only way to play but I imagine dual analog sticks working pretty well.
I played Retro City for a minute, it was sort of fun, but Hotline Miami is leaps and bounds above and would've made a great game even with top of the line graphics. RCR not so much.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 22 February 2014 16:23 (twelve years ago)
Yeah, Retro City Rampage was so disappointing
― President Frankenstein (kingfish), Saturday, 22 February 2014 18:40 (twelve years ago)