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green spot is my fav irish by a mile, that stuff is just pure pleasure

xpost Told you re: Buffalo Trace! Anyway, BT, Eagle Rare and a few other things have made their way back to shelves locally. I'm hearing any time for Weller 12 and OWA, with supposedly no price hike. Hearing a bit later for Elmer T. Lee. Though on all these fronts, no one knows until they actually show.

See, now things are just getting cynical. The last Parker's Heritage bottle was an overpriced $80 or $90 for a 10-year old, modest-proofed bourbon, but $20 of that price went straight to ALS research. But now comes the real march of stupidly overpriced limited edition bourbon. There's Diageo's fake dusties brands ("Old Blowhard," et al) of old mystery juice, likely salvaged from the old Bernheim distillery. There's the upcoming hyper-premium re-release of the entire PHC set. There was of course that absolutely ridiculous $3000+ bottle of bourbon with neither an age statement nor distillery info. And now comes the Booker's 25th anniversary bottle, which contains, illogically, 10-year old whiskey and will sell for, what, $100? Something like that? Just getting silly. I concede it was annoying that Heaven Hill discontinued its 18-year old Elijah Craig, which sold for $50, and replaced it with a series of 20-year+ bottles that sell for literally three times as much, but at least you know exactly how old it is and where it came from. These premium non-disclosed bourbons like Jeffersons, or premium younger bourbons like the Bookers ... I say bleh to that.

This is why Pappy, if you can get it, is still something of a bargain. Pappy 15 I've bought for $50-$80 a bottle the past three years. Each year has been more money than the last, but it's a known-quantity good thing. 15-years old, higher proof, consistently high standard. But this other shit going for twice as much for half as much, with next to nothing known about what's inside? Shameful.

how's Stagg Jr? local store emailed that they got some.

Over-priced, kind of harsh, cynically named, not worth any sort of hype or excitement.

;_;

i don't really agree with josh's assessment. if you are in the market for barrel proof bourbon you only have so many options. it's comparably priced to things like booker's (which is a little cheaper, a lot younger, prob not as good on the balance) and four roses sb barrel strength (better but good luck finding it on the reg).

my opinion prob not worth much but it's pretty good--experiment with adding different amounts of water and you'll find the sweet spot.

Sure, almost any whiskey can be made better/different with ice or water.

xpost I dunno about where you are, but pretty much all 8 (right?) of the Four Roses barrel strength blends are available here year 'round for about $55. And they're all better/more interesting than Stagg Jr.

i thought it was good (caveat being there's very little "bad" bourbon coming from the big 7 (wild turkey is on probation)). sometimes you just need that barrel-proof kick and don't want to deplete your stagg/wlw stash.

xp yeah i don't seem them regularly in mass. these days, certainly not all 8, some places will get one at a time.

booker's is one of my faves

Elijah Craig BP is something special, especially for the price, but it disappears pretty quickly. In fact, not sure I've ever seen it in the wild! I got my bottles at Heaven Hill a while back.

a couple very knowledgeable friends got a taster of Old Blowhard, were pretty cynical going in but can't stop raving about it.

http://www.masterofmalt.com/blog/Images/Irish_Whiskey/George-Roe.jpg

It's getting harder and harder to find rare stuff lingering on the shelf, but I came across a bottle of Angel's Envy Cask Strength today. The same store had a couple of bottles of the Booker's 25th Anniversary, but as much hype as that's been getting I haven't come across any actual reviews, and it mostly seems a matter of marketing. Any of you heard anything? Any reason to grab this, beyond scarcity?

it's 3-5 years older than regular booker's?

That's the only dif, right? That and being priced twice as much as regular Booker's.

it would appear to be the only difference

the barrels are the last ones chosen by the actual Booker

not sure how nostalgia tastes

Allegedly. They say they *could* be among the last barrels he chose. Very cagey for the people in charge.

honestly who even cares

Good point! I should take it to the "whiskey" thread.

you should take it to the thread devoted to parsing beam inc.'s marketing materials

Ha, the funniest thing I read about the bottle is someone suggesting you just buy a regular bottle of Booker's then drink it while watching the ridiculous youtube EPK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qvQnoNRPCA

Years ago, my wife, for work, had to go to an event down at the Noe family estate. I could have sworn she told me Booker Noe had a walking stick made out of an elephant penis.

Just about every detail of that story has blurred to the point where anything beyond "wife" might be wrong, but I'd prefer to think it's all true.

hah i totally believe that

Amazingly I was pretty correct: it was Booker Noe, it was the year 2000, and he did walk around with a cane. Whether it was a cane made from an elephant penis, or that he just owned a cane made from an elephant penis, I'd like to think that if anyone owned or used a cane made from an elephant penis, it was the patriarch master distiller of Jim Beam.

BTW, speaking of marketing, the disaster in the making that is Miller Fortune is pretty fascinating. Pretty much every piece written about its introduction basically rewrote the press release, which circulated all the bullshit: it tastes like bourbon, it's a really high ABV, it's meant to be had in a rocks glass, etc. Not one mentioned the actually taste, because not one actually tasted it, but of course, Miller did nothing to dispel the rumors/derail the hype train. And now it has arrived, and people say it tastes like any other shitty golden lager malt liquor, go figure.

idk who greenlighted miller fortune but my god they should never be let near the industry again

Bottle of Dickel 14 for my birthday, didn't even know they made one that old.

Bought some Suntory kakubin today

http://i.imgur.com/Ok1X7BD.jpg

Surprisingly good and not too mild/clean like the Yamazaki and Nikka single malts I've had in the past

Anybody try that Old Blowhard or Barter house? I've seen it around, but I lack of the gumption to pull the trigger.

OK, following up on my own post, I must admit I've been heartened by the skeptical response. Bottles of the aforementioned were released in Chicago or the area weeks ago, and they seem to be hanging around. Meanwhile, news is coming out that the so-called "limited" run of Barterhouse and Old Blowhard is somewhere around a mere (hah) 39,000 bottles or so of each, which just adds to the layers of bullshit. The middle part of this Whiskycast episode interviews a Diageo guy and repeatedly and politely calls him out on the company's dishonesty, not least the repeated claim that this is somehow SW bourbon and not Bernheim, which it is:

http://whiskycast.com/episode-466-february-15-2014/

Worth a listen.

Also in calling out in bullshit land is this post on Michter's, which goes on waaaaay too long but at least further illustrates the degree of shadiness at work in this business:

http://thebourbontruth.tumblr.com/post/79568476215/deceit-vs-deception-the-heroes-and-hobos-of-whiskey

The level of scorched earth pulling back of the curtain is high enough that the other blogger he calls out in the rant updated his original post to basically give this guy an OTM. The stuff about Michter's shoddy photoshopping skills alone I think is hilarious.

I’m not the first person to bring the Michter’s/Chatham thing to light – Straight Bourbon, Bourbon Enthusiast, Sku’s Recent Eats, Whisky Advocate (or the prior identity in blog form), Chuck Cowdery and lots of others have done so. Much of what I know I got from them and my own research. I’m just the flavor of the month in a long line of Michter’s debunkers.

lmao no fuckin' shit, the dude on straightbourbon who is into original michter's has been on this literally since time began.

Eh I appreciate the effort all the same. The more this stuff gets out there, the more often, the better for everyone interested in staying informed.

I love love love Rittenhouse BIB rye whiskey. Given that I'm so happy with it, and can get it readily for a fair price, is trying other, pricier brands of rye worth it? Name names if you want to recommend any.

Well, there are fewer ryes than there are bourbons, so that makes things a little easier. You talking drinking it straight?

I normally drink it on the rocks or in an Old Fashioned.

If you're mixing it for a cocktail, maybe go for Old Overholt or Sazerac. Fancier ryes, a lot of people like Whistle Pig's Boss Hog, or the older Sazerac, if you can find it, or Handy, if you can find it. Rittenhouse makes a super fancy 23-year, but that's $$$. Willett has some good rye. That might be a good mid-high point rye.

i love the angel's envy rye

I love love love Rittenhouse BIB rye whiskey. Given that I'm so happy with it, and can get it readily for a fair price, is trying other, pricier brands of rye worth it? Name names if you want to recommend any.

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i would definitely recommend trying sazerac which is probably the other great mid-shelf rye left in existence. i prefer rittenhouse but there's a great contrast between the two. sazerac 18, if you can track it down, is absolutely worth the investment.

if you're just staring at the shelf of ryes keep in mind that bulleit, dickel, templeton, redemption, and a couple others i'm forgetting have a common source and use a substantially different mashbill from rittenhouse/sazerac (and from american rye whiskey as it's historically understood). you can certainly give one of these a shot, but just be aware of what you're getting.

just bought a dozen bottles of talisker 10yr for abt £21 each, reasonably safe to assume im not going to get bored of it

still taking the occasional swig outta that glendronach. it's lasting far longer than it should. ur bliss sounds tastier

theres hardly any actively crap single malt whisky, theres underwhelming and theres all sorts of limited release shit which clearly isnt remotely worth its retail price but its all drinkable

just over twenty is fine for a good entry level single malt, mostly they are around thirty quid now (~£20 net) which seems excessive and is inflated significantly from the mid 2000s

ah i can't rly complain, it's not too bad & it was a gift

my best friend received this from his mother's newish husband a few years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penderyn_(whisky) and it was incredibly atrocious. just pure shit. ffs wales

yeah never tried it but it's just whatever shit they can sell with no age statement, probably half of it to sentimental welsh people

they might make something better given time and if they do they can thank the people who bought their shit early releases (very difficult to found a distillery precisely because absent some futures scheme there is no revenue for years)

like this is almost certainly a prime example of speculative veblen collector dogshit

http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-13405.aspx

i love when cask strength whiskies both "benefit from the higher bottling strength" and "take water well."

i have a bottle of rittenhouse, should i use it for fancy cocktails or just savour it straight or on the rocks (or with water, which is how i drink my scotch)

you should make at least a couple manhattans with it but it's fantastic with water too