Mia Farrow's son -- Ronan Seamus Farrow -- really creeps me out!

a ton of things in his piece are almost verbatim things I've already read in internet comments.

Undoubtedly the attic idea came to her from the Dory Previn song, “With My Daddy in the Attic.” It was on the same record as the song Dory Previn had written about Mia’s betraying their friendship by insidiously stealing her husband, André, “Beware of Young Girls.” One must ask, did Dylan even write the letter or was it at least guided by her mother? Does the letter really benefit Dylan or does it simply advance her mother’s shabby agenda? That is to hurt me with a smear. There is even a lame attempt to do professional damage by trying to involve movie stars, which smells a lot more like Mia than Dylan.

This part struck me as one of the oddest - first the shoehorning in of Dory Previn, then suggesting that Dylan didn't even write the letter himself, because referencing movie stars sounds like something mia would do rather than the daughter he hasn't interacted with since childhood?

write the letter herself, sorry

yeah, that was really weird. I don't understand why he went there. Was Mia also ventriloquist dummying Dylan when she spoke to People Magazine?

Woody Allen is a filmmaker in New York City.

'Even the venue where the fabricated molestation was supposed to have taken place was poorly chosen but interesting. Mia chose the attic of her country house, a place she should have realized I’d never go to because it is a tiny, cramped, enclosed spot where one can hardly stand up and I’m a major claustrophobe. The one or two times she asked me to come in there to look at something, I did, but quickly had to run out. Undoubtedly the attic idea came to her from the Dory Previn song, “With My Daddy in the Attic.” It was on the same record as the song Dory Previn had written about Mia’s betraying their friendship by insidiously stealing her husband, André, “Beware of Young Girls.”'

i'm not surprised allen has brought this up. i saw a reference to this song in dory previn's wiki entry a couple of weeks ago and then read the lyrics and was struck by the coincidences (the father in the song even plays clarinet) and wondered if allen might try to use it to discredit mia farrow. both this song and 'beware of young girls' seemed to have slight extra prominence in the overall discussion of previn's work so i even wondered if someone had edited her entry on his behalf, hoping people would notice and draw the exact conclusions he is now broadcasting. it's not impossible that someone with a penchant for staging scenes and who was familiar with the song might choose the attic venue with the intention of later using the lyrics to create obfuscation to defend himself. it's not farfetched to think that a child abuser might consider in advance ways to foil a seven year old's testimony.

wikipedia: 'Much of the album, which like several subsequent albums was produced by Venet, deals with her experiences in the late 1960s. "Mister Whisper" examines episodes of psychosis from within the confines of a psychiatric hospital, while "Beware of Young Girls" is a scathing attack on Mia Farrow and her motives for befriending the Previns (Farrow belatedly apologized to Dory in her memoir What Falls Away). The track "With My Daddy in the Attic" is a chilling piece dealing with Stockholm Syndrome and fantasies of incest.'

why am i not surprised by the top rated comment

I've been very heartened over the years that none of this has prevented you from continuing to make movies I enjoy and admire. Thank you.

good to know what this is really all about for you

It's just one of those details that to me doesn't weigh much either way because it's so attenuated. Maybe Farrow got the idea from the song, maybe Allen got the idea from the song, maybe Dylan got the idea from the song, maybe it's a coincidence/none of the above.

xp

"Even the venue where the fabricated molestation was supposed to have taken place was poorly chosen but interesting. Mia chose the attic of her country house, a place she should have realized I’d never go to because it is a tiny, cramped, enclosed spot where one can hardly stand up and I’m a major claustrophobe. The one or two times she asked me to come in there to look at something, I did, but quickly had to run out."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf1sdk7CYAE1W6J.png:large

LAW & ORDER: ILX

i have thought about all that and it seems to me it's too dumb and crazy for farrow to come up with but not for someone who wants farrow to seem dumb and crazy. xp to hurting

80-year-old man who doesn't know what twitter is and still writes on a typewriter: definitely very interested in influencing people via wikipedia

nelkin's quote that allen refers to, from piers morgan

"They asked if I would testify and admit that I was 15 when we dated, and I said 'no,' because I was not 15. I was 17, 18 and 19, and to me there's a big distinction between that, and I think they were looking for the fact that, you know, 15 is jail bait. Seventeen is a very different story," said Nelkin, who first met Allen on the set of the film “Manhattan." "I would not go along with that, so I think she was trying to create a pattern of, this is a man who looks for young girls and seduces them unwittingly and that's not true. I was very, very much willing to be dating him, I was thrilled."

Man, the Seventies.

Have we got this all resolved yet

Even if he is not Frank’s, the possibility she raises that he could be, indicates she was secretly intimate with him during our years. Not to mention all the money I paid for child support. Was I supporting Frank’s son? Again, I want to call attention to the integrity and honesty of a person who conducts her life like that.

lol @ the gall for him to actually say this when he had an affair with her daughter.

80-year-old man who doesn't know what twitter is and still writes on a typewriter: definitely very interested in influencing people via wikipedia

― scott c-word (some dude), Saturday, February 8, 2014 1:05 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which is why i said 'i even wondered if someone had edited her entry on his behalf', 'even wondered' suggests it's a stretch, 'someone...on his behalf' means not him doing it directly.

i'm not hugely invested in this and don't expect others to be but it's interesting to me since i had thought about it and then he went and devoted a full paragraph to it in his statement.

"undoubtedly."

"One must ask"

I love Dory Previn's songs, but wasn't "Lemon Haired Ladies" about her too?

now that i think about it, every single mia farrow performance was just a series of dory previn songs

none of this is real

we are all just dory's playthings

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5mF6HMOmHc/TzyMxyER4pI/AAAAAAAABRg/XHmXjbBWKV4/s320/1980DoryPrevin02PA150212.jpg

just remembered that the dad-flirting charlotte rampling character in stardust memories is called dory

he is an incorrigible intertextualist.

he is an incorrigible intertextualist.

Heh. Which goes to support your theory: it shows he's the one who has "Dory-with-the-incest-fantasy" on his mind, in his art, back in 1980, long before Dylan was even born.

Rafafacht

Re the discussion upthread on Bergman influence/ imitation, yeah it's pretty serious and pervasive.

Some examples not yet mentioned: there's plenty of "Scenes from a Marriage" in "Husbands and Wives" (And SFAM starts off with the couple being interviewed by a reporter, which no doubt inspired one of the interesting formal aspects to H&W, the character interviews.) And whole scenes/ chunks of dialogue in his movies are lifted from Bergman; among the most striking in "Another Woman" (homage to, but in some spots exactly mirroring, "Wild Strawberries").

Any other filmmakers, considered "great" by many, who are so blatant/ flagrant (and so frequent) in their "homage" to a specific filmmaker or two (Bergman & Fellini)-- modelling entire movies after their predecessor's movies? It's different from homage to/ playing with a genre/ genres (e.g. French New Wave riffing on American genre films). OK, two come to mind: Fassbinder-Sirk and De Palma-Hitchcock.

Sorry for going off on this tangent in this thread (Morbius is probably right, should split off film discussion from the topic here.)

PS He also takes after Bergman in the entanglement of art and life (or film and biography), e.g. having (current and/or ex) lovers and/or wives starring in the films.

Jesus, when the thread sticks to films it's just as maddening

it's not impossible that someone with a penchant for staging scenes and who was familiar with the song might choose the attic venue with the intention of later using the lyrics to create obfuscation to defend himself.

?!?!?!?!

he said she said listeners go insane

We are now reading the reports of DAs as if they were the objective truth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfvDs2O1CTI&feature=kp

Shorter Allen:

1) I never got caught doing this before or after.

2) I don't like confined spaces.

3) Some people thought I didn't do it at the time.

4) Mia Farrow is crazy who knows what she's capable of.

5) Moses doesn't like her either (also he's a family therapist!)

Encountered my first Woody truther on my fb feed today :(

oh, "truther," goodbye and all of you get in therapy, you deserve that waste of time

twu is it yr opinion that the da planted allen's dna in the attic?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dylan-farrow-responds-woody-allen-678552

This thing is really a train wreck.

Trying to decide at the end of the day whether or not I'm going to let this inhibit my enjoyment of or prevent my watching Woody Allen films. Part of me feels like it should, but another part is like "fuck this is some crazy bullshit and I've paid for Emperor/James Brown/Dissection records and those people were actually convicted of pretty gross crimes."

having now seen fading gigolo trailer no

Jesus, when the thread sticks to films it's just as maddening

If I said something stupid, wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last.

the thing about the op-ed is it reads almost exactly, point for point, like a draft of the weide piece

http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/2014/02/woody-allen-1992-custody-suit.pdf

Re the discussion upthread on Bergman influence/ imitation, yeah it's pretty serious and pervasive.

Some examples not yet mentioned: there's plenty of "Scenes from a Marriage" in "Husbands and Wives" (And SFAM starts off with the couple being interviewed by a reporter, which no doubt inspired one of the interesting formal aspects to H&W, the character interviews.) And whole scenes/ chunks of dialogue in his movies are lifted from Bergman; among the most striking in "Another Woman" (homage to, but in some spots exactly mirroring, "Wild Strawberries").

Any other filmmakers, considered "great" by many, who are so blatant/ flagrant (and so frequent) in their "homage" to a specific filmmaker or two (Bergman & Fellini)-- modelling entire movies after their predecessor's movies? It's different from homage to/ playing with a genre/ genres (e.g. French New Wave riffing on American genre films). OK, two come to mind: Fassbinder-Sirk and De Palma-Hitchcock.

Sorry for going off on this tangent in this thread (Morbius is probably right, should split off film discussion from the topic here.)

― drash, Saturday, February 8, 2014 6:56 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rosenbaum touches on this in Notes Toward the Devaluation of Woody Allen:

Most often these borrowings, when they’re noticed, are rationalized in the press as “homages”; yet arguably they reveal the same sort of aesthetic immaturity that a beginning writer shows by imitating, say, Hemingway or Faulkner. Imitation can be a sincere form of flattery, and there’s no doubting the sincerity of Allen’s Bergman and Fellini worship. But beyond a certain point there’s a question of whether this kind of emulation is being used as a tool for fresh discoveries or as an expedient substitute for such discoveries — a shield labeled “Art” that’s intended to intimidate nonbelievers.

Thanks for the Rosenbaum quote; I think I agree. Re my other examples, they're not really analogous-- Fassbinder's Sirkianism seems a very different thing; even De Palma's shameless Hitchcock imitation is different, somehow (though it's closer).

Taking "imitation" in the old-fashioned Renaissance sense of the word (imitatio)-- conceiving of all art, all creative art, as a practice of imitation-- the thing about Woody Allen's Bergmanism is that the chunks of Bergman in WA often seem so... undigested, somehow. Appropriated but not transmuted into something really his own, original. And yes, in that way, seem indicative of aesthetic immaturity. (And it's not like it works as postmodern, either... or does it.)

I don't think he's ever really seen himself as anything more than a poor imitator of Bergman tbh

On topic of the thread, find I believe Dylan more than WA. But as an erstwhile WA fan, still in psychological denegation about the implications of that. Ugh, shudder.