I HATE APPLE

Just a reminder to those who don't like tabs-on-top that you can fix it.

I've been using it since release day. The new tabs take getting used to, but overall it's great. Definitely very fast, and more stable than Safari 3 in my experience.

Customising the new Top Sites screen could be a little more intuitive — it took me a minute to figure out that the only way to add specific sites was to drag them in from another tab — but overall it's OK. I'm not a a fan of the new reload/stop widget though, and it would be nice to have the blue progress bar back in the address field. There will definitely be UI tweaks before it's out of beta.

i no longer own the fastest most bad-ass mac pro on the planet. I knew this new one was coming but couldn't wait and got the last one over the summer. I've been pretty productive since then and figure it'll be at least 2 or 3 years if not more before I outgrow this one. I'm just mad I lose the bragging rights.

safari 4 seems just like safari 3 to me, but I'm no browser pro so maybe I dunno

^ Yes, exactly. Like Safari 3 but a bit different. Seems cool enough. Like the built-in Inquisitor-style search thingy. Top Sites: will never use. Coverflow-style history thing is a nice enough gimmick.

and it would be nice to have the blue progress bar back in the address field

Apparently this can also be fixed with a simple enough hidden-preference edit ... can't remember where I read it, but I'd imagine Libcrypt's link would provide a good starting point. I thought I'd miss it a lot more than I do.

i really like the new tab placement. doesnt seem like anything else is different so if youre having trouble figuring out how to use it... i dont know what to tell you

I kind of love this browser. I don't know if it will pry me away from Firefox, but FF has so many problems on Mac (still!) that I'm always open to suggestion. This is a v good suggestion.

I think I will dl it over spring break, still hanging on from Mac Chrome as well.

I took to "tabs on top" like a duck to water. It seems to make as much sense, and maybe more.

Firefox on Mac still loads too slow and has that annoying creeping memory bloat (better than FF2, but still a bit annoying), but my dozen+ extensions mean I'm pretty married to it until Chrome/Safari/Webkit gets a real plug-in system. I actually like the tabs on top of Safari 4 beta, though it definitely runs a little chunkier than 3 did.

am i mistaken in thinking that everything in safari 4 is basically stolen from chrome?

also i don't get "tabs on top" vs "tabs on bottom"

if tabs are for fast switching between pages, and your mouse is generally somewhere in the lower half of the screen, it makes sense that the tabs would be on the bottom, right?

tabs on top gives you a little more real estate

why would your mouse be in the lower half? All the other must-mouse stuff like the window buttons, the menus, the toolbar fields and buttons etc are at the top, so it makes sense to put the tabs next to all that.

What pisses me off about it, is that it (understandably) has a difficulty in distinguishing between whether you want to click a tab, or whether you want to drag a window, so quite often it doesn't work, and then I click again and it registers a double click and minimises it. It's getting on my nerves. I really don't think it matters where they go.

I've closed a tab trying to bring a packed window to the front more than once, and there's no undo-close-tab, which is a pisser.

click-through is a mess

Arrrgh, why can I not put a reload button where it belongs to the left of the address bar, the fact that there is a non removable add bookmark where reload should be just adds insult to injury.

...and there's no undo-close-tab, which is a pisser.

Looks like the Glims kids have been pretty quick on getting it working for Safari 4.

why would your mouse be in the lower half? All the other must-mouse stuff like the window buttons, the menus, the toolbar fields and buttons etc are at the top, so it makes sense to put the tabs next to all that.

#1 - clicking around in the browser window?!? "submit post" or navigating web pages, etc. if your mouse is up by the toolbar field most of the time how do you even use the internet?!?

#2 - this is embarrassing, but i actually "read" with the mouse ... i drag it along past whatever i'm reading like a finger on a page.

i *love* the "top sites", btw, because 90% of my internet time is on six or so sites - the dashboard for my class blog, my web-based gradebook and attendance system, my webmail, my online banking and ILX.

I bought an iPhone today. Now how the hell do I use it?

#2 - this is embarrassing, but i actually "read" with the mouse ... i drag it along past whatever i'm reading like a finger on a page

Not embarrassing at all. I do that all the time when I'm editing stuff at work, certainly. It's become an automatic thing when I'm reading closely on a screen.

I'm trying to monitor where my mouse pointer spends most of its time. So far it's very much "in the bottom half of the screen". Still, I think the Safari 4 tabs rock bells, so hey.

Put yr finger in the hole with the first digit you need to dial, then turn it around like you were screwing on the top of a jar. Then do the same with the next digit, and so on until you ring up yr party. Put yr head next to the gadget and then talk!

Many a true word ...

yeah I like top sites because it confronts me with the reality of my time-wasting. Sometimes I actually look at all the little thumbnails and say "no, nothing valuable is going to happen here."

iphone OS 3.0 will have cut, copy & paste!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I just destroyed my Mighty Mouse whilst trying to clean it. I do blame myself for this, because a) no one should make a mouse that you cannot properly clean without voiding the warranty, and b) no one should make a trackball that gets plugged up so badly that it's useless just from everyday handling. It's not like I've been using this mouse with sticky chocolate all over my hands. I wash my hands often. In fact, if there's one thing that the nd now that it's dead and I've Mighty Mouse is good for, it's making you wash your hands more often, for fear that you'll hamper its delicate and inaccessible inner workings. This is bullshit. And now that it's dead and replaced with my old reliable Microsoft IntelliMouse, I don't feel a bit sorry. I will not for a moment miss furiously fingering that tiny little trackball like the clit of a woman who's mad at me. Forget it.

I do NOT blame myself for this

Messy post. That I do blame myself for.

I think it was stet who recommended the cleaning method I use, and I've un-crapped my latest MM a half-dozen times: put a small puddle of clean water on a clean sheet of paper, turn the mouse upside down and scribble furiously through the water, like the mouseball is the tip of your pen. That water will get up there and dissolve whatever the problem is.

It's sad, because that scroll ball is totally awesome as long as it works, but it's very very annoying to clean. (And man that right click behavior was very annoying!) I had mine replaced under warranty, but switched to my old MS scroll wheel mouse.

That water will get up there and dissolve whatever the problem is.

For a time. Unless the problem turns out to be two years worth of the kind of cat hair that floats through the air and you can barely see. Apparently, that builds up nasty-like.

I've done the paper-water thing many, many times.

Being able to program it so that primary and secondary sides are switched is so great. 20 years of single-button mousing had me pretty ingrained in clicking on the right side with my middle finger.

I just want it to not break, that's all I'm saying. It is great, when it works.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/WilliamCrump63/arlo0417.jpg

you must have that kind of cat

HAHA yes. Yes indeed.

I tried the MM for a few months. I thought I would get used to it. It was miserable the whole time. Welcome back logitech.

Yeh it's the worst mouse they've made so far, including the puck, but it doesn't seem like they're for fixing it.

I'd much rather have a logitech revolution, but it's right-hand only. The only left-hand model they do is crap, apptly.

any intel-based mac users have an installer for mysql 5 community edition? I've been unable to download this from mysql for three days and need it pronto.

oh never mind, found a mirror somewhere.

Right now I hate microsoft way more. OTH, I can dick around on the internet whilst excel is trundling away.

Microsoft C/D

Way off topic, but has anyone installed Windows 7 64-bit using Boot Camp? I'm thinking about redoing my gaming 32-bit XP partition in that when it gets a final release, but I'm worried about the drivers. OTOH it would be nice to actually use my full 4 gigs of ram and not deal with clunky XP (a great OS in its day for sure and still solid, but sad to go back and forth b/w that and Leopard).

The drivers are a total nightmare under bootcamp apparently. You have to do them piece by piece and they're not the best after that.

Though I'm not sure how bootcamp can have an effect on that, once it's past the EFI booting stuff. Perhaps it's just coincidentally the drivers for whatever hardware Apple's using? There's definitely no all-in-one CD like there is for Vista and XP, tho.

latest shenanigans:

wiping the screen down with iKlear and some of it somehow got between the screen and the backing. so fluid damage all over the LCD screen.

i take it to the genius bar. "well, obviously, you spilled something on it and that's water damage, not covered by apple care". and i'm like, heeeeey, not so fast buddy, i was using screen wipes and i didn't "spill" anything on it. and he's like "well maybe you did and maybe you didn't".

so next morning, fuming, i called up apple customer relations. explained that i've already shelled out for two macbook pros, two powerbooks, two iphones, three ipods, two airports and a time machine and i am pretty fucking pissed that the boy "genius" accused me of lying. and that i was pissed that apple sold me a product out of the apple store (iKlear wipes) that can fuck up their own products so badly.

well anyway apple customer relations bumped me up to the next level in the hierarchy ("customer care" or something like that) who agreed to cover the whole deal under apple care. i told them i'd be damned if i took it back to the same "geniuses" who accused me of lying so she gave me something called an "exception code" so that i could take it to an authorized repair shop in town and get the repair charge comped by apple. which i did and 48 hours later i have a brand new LCD screen.

anyway, i love/hate apple. but the fucking genius bar is the fucking worst shit ever. and applecare is a crock of shit. two weeks ago i washed a three year-old patagonia technical jacket according to their instructions in my washing machine and when it came out it was two different colors. i took it to the patagonia shop and 48 hours later i had a brand new mountaineering jacket of equal value to the one that was fucked up in the wash, no questions asked, no "oh are you lying to us". that's called customer service. the genius bar is a bunch of fucking clowns.

glen kim >>> genius bar douche

i am honestly a very quiet and polite person IRL, but something about bad customer service makes me hulk out in ways which are, in general, surprisingly effective.

probably because i have years of experience in high-end retail and catering, where really good customer service is really, really important