omg just busted out a mobius strip too <3<3
― flopson, Thursday, 30 January 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/prisonculture/status/429005774338002944
― i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 30 January 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link
I'm kinda curious how you do the heavy lifting of all this work on the Internet, which has a history of making everything terrible(I'm in the midst of reading the Nation piece). I mean, this seems like such a matter as needing folks to sit down and talk it out in person in real-time to reach consensus or compromise or some form of agreement. Is there a way to do that in an asynchronous form of dialogue on this group of networks that we've only had for a couple decades now and are still working out the kinks of productive online behavior and make sure that (most?) everybody feels heard?
In other words, is it currently possible to achieve some social goal without messageboard-style culture fucking it up?
― Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Friday, 31 January 2014 01:48 (ten years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/31/the_fight_over_the_v_word/
― Mordy , Friday, 31 January 2014 23:03 (ten years ago) link
Feminist Theory & "Women's Issues" Discussion Thread: All Gender Identities Are Encouraged To Participate [Started by emil.y in February 2012, last updated 59 seconds ago by Mordy ] 106 new answersfitness chicks [Started by cutty in September 2007, last updated 3 minutes ago by soref] 9 new answers
― 141 Jute Gyte - Discontinuities 142 drake - nothing was the same (imago), Friday, 31 January 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfZeL9pCUAAXKMn.jpg
the defense ministers of Norway, Sweden, Netherlands and Germany
― mookieproof, Sunday, 2 February 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
^dead end job
― Aimless, Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:06 (ten years ago) link
cool
― mookieproof, Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/09/magazine/does-a-more-equal-marriage-mean-less-sex.html
Feel like this sort of belongs in this thread and sort of doesn't. The article seems very subtly but significantly wrongly thought out imo.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
idk if the wrongness is even that subtle
― max, Friday, 7 February 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
Basically boils down to another person with no background in the subject whatsoever divining the "hidden biological drives" that motivate us using one study plus "common sense."
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:24 (ten years ago) link
I have point-by-point objections to a lot of it but I feel like there's an over-arching critique that I'm not putting my finger on rn.
One thing that I think is important to talk about is that we often don't know what equal relationships look like in various respects, and there are practically no models for them in our shared media/culture/whatever. Comparisons like "less" and "more" are, like...relative to WHAT?? What if the point of comparison for those qualities is profoundly flawed and in the process of being discarded, then why use it as a point of reference?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
how about keeping yr nose out of other people's business for starters? that's my main objection.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
not personal you there, just in general
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
I've heard so many saddening and problematic things from older women both irl and tangentially in documentaries and stuff, for ex that it was important to them in their marriages to never "refuse" their husbands sex no matter how they felt, or the woman in the orgasm documentary who thought there was something PHYSIOLOGICALLY WRONG WITH HER bc she didn't have exactly a certain arousal reaction that erased personal variation. They just X-ed themselves out in preference to their partners (btw a big FFFFFF UUUUUU to Caitlin Flanagan on this one). If those women had, in their generation, discovered that this priority wasn't meaningful to them, and stopped submitting to what was at the very least unrewarding and possibly non-consensual sex in their marriages, then statistically they'd be having "less" sex, sure, but WHO GIVES A SHIT when the point of comparison is marital rape? Just, no.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Yeah that dinner party sounds positively dyspeptic.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
She also uses "assortative" mating to mean exactly the OPPOSITE of what it means (which I only know because of its recent usage by another pseudo-scientific NYT asshat, David Brooks)
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
In addition to Laurel's excellent points, I just feel like stuff like this is designed to play on gender anxiety and to either goad "egalitarian" people into questioning their views or to pander to people who already think "equal" marriage goes against "the natural order" or something. There's this underlying tone of "How's that equality stuff workin out for ya?!"
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”“We use X number of positions and various forms of oral and manual stimulation, and we’re happy as clams”
― marcos, Friday, 7 February 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link
i'm sorry i couldn't resist
Lori gottlieb wrote that "settle for a man you don't love" article a while back. She's one of those Caitlin Flanagan backlash types.
― horseshoe, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link
that's why I'm not reading this
― horseshoe, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link
though I do wonder if it's all those women she advised to settle who are unhappy with their sex lives. Obviously that's because of feminism
― horseshoe, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/03/marry-him/306651/
― horseshoe, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:05 (ten years ago) link
And all I can say is, if you say you’re not worried don't agree with me, either you’re in denial or you’re lying.
I'm glad to see we're making defensible arguments today! This is going to end GREAT for everyone.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 7 February 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG
she is an expert at universalizing her insecurities
― horseshoe, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link
Otm
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Friday, 7 February 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
"Granted, some might view a study like this with skepticism."
ya don't say
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 8 February 2014 03:02 (ten years ago) link
feel like this is an upmarket version of marital friendzone studies
― rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 8 February 2014 03:04 (ten years ago) link
the funny thing is that the reasons she gives for "skepticism" of the study are bad ones that show a lack of understanding of, like, how studies work, while meanwhile there are better reasons
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Saturday, 8 February 2014 03:07 (ten years ago) link
will just leave this here, idk whyhttp://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1x6p5j/women_are_not_aliensa_message_from_a_woman_to/Women are not aliens--they are robots. interesting stuff in there like " Our current programming includes a complex function that serves to find the best mates possible. In order to find the best genes, our program looks for attractiveness, financial success, and independence, among other traits. When these traits are found, the TraditionalFem 2.0 program starts running. This program emulates the submissive female that existed pre-1900, before the mass-malfunction of women." he,he
― Sébastien, Saturday, 8 February 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
"Financial success"? Amazing what genes can do when they put their little minds to it! Apparently, they correctly predicted the invention of money.
― Aimless, Saturday, 8 February 2014 18:40 (ten years ago) link
This was a nice thing to see on BBC 4 the other day (UK only).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03ycql8/oh-do-shut-up-dear-mary-beard-on-the-public-voice-of-women
― Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n06/mary-beard/the-public-voice-of-women(been meaning to read)
― kinder, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link
Hey all I'm sorry if this is inappropriate but I figured it's as good a place as any. If you're FB friends with me or read the abortion threads you've already seen this but I know some of you aren't and my not so I'm posting this again because it's really fucking important to me and to the women this might help benefit.
This weekend every donation to my fundraiser will be matched 1:1 by an anonymous donor to a to a new fund in West Texas, the West Fund. This means your money goes twice as far and to a place that really needs it considering that Texas passed a law that made 1/3 of their abortion clinics close in the past 6 months and that thousands of rural TX women now have no legal access to abortion. Anything you can donate counts even $5 (which this weekend is $10). The matching thing is only now through tomorrow so this would be an excellent time to give if you can.
http://bowlathon.nnaf.org/nnafbowl/participantpage.asp?uid=7819&fundid=1864#.UycCQG7E07U.facebook
― Airwrecka Bliptrap Blapmantis (ENBB), Saturday, 22 March 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
i went to this kimberlé crenshaw lecture last week. she's such a good speaker and that ambulance metaphor really stuck with me.
http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=2360
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:48 (ten years ago) link
on the other hand you have the utter horror of the no more page 3 advert that came out today :(
My laptop really doesn't like to play videos (or indeed audio streams that aren't divided up into 4 minutes sections it can easily buffer). :-(
Would it be cheeky to ask what the "ambulance metaphor" was, or is it totally context dependent?
― BLEEEEEEE Monday (Branwell Bell), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link
oops sorry didn't see your answer til just now. it was pretty straightforward - if intersectionality is analogous to being located at a junction and intersectional oppression is being hit by cars coming from two directions, then the ambulances (eg anti-racist groups or feminist groups) tend only to come from one of those directions and fail to diagnose you properly/consider it the other ambulance's problem
anyway, interview with crenshaw: http://www.newstatesman.com/lifestyle/2014/04/kimberl-crenshaw-intersectionality-i-wanted-come-everyday-metaphor-anyone-could
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 11:32 (ten years ago) link
Oh, OK, that metaphor makes sense.
It's Bim's interview! Haven't had the chance to read it yet, but this will undoubtedly be excellent.
― Branwell Bell, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 12:41 (ten years ago) link
today in women's news
“Life didn’t work out that way,” she said. “I didn’t have a child. I probably treat my dogs more like children than someone with children would.”
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20140415/NEWS01/304140039/More-single-unmarried-women-choosing-small-pooches-over-motherhood-survey-finds?nclick_check=1
― Mayor Manuel (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 April 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link
i found this because one of these proud dog-owning women posted it to a fb group about dachshunds in ohio that i joined for some unknown reason (i guess for lols?) she boasted very seriously that she and her husband were super proud of their two dogs and then tagged all of these words and phrases that appeared to be about pride in being child-freeit was kinda weird and i didn't know where to put it so i put it here
― Mayor Manuel (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 April 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link
Stephen Jay Gould's essay on neotony, as illustrated by the evolution of how Disney characters are drawn, sheds an interesting side light on the phenomenon of small dogs being treated like infants. I forget which of his many books of essays that one appeared in, but it was one of his most memorable ones.
― Aimless, Thursday, 17 April 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/4/17/nonconsensual-sexwhenrapeisreworded.html
― 龜, Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:36 (ten years ago) link
Jordana Rosenberg on mothers, mourning, and rereading Judith Butler: http://www.avidly.org/2014/05/09/gender-trouble-on-mothers-day/
― one way street, Saturday, 10 May 2014 13:47 (ten years ago) link
A friend sent me this as a response on why she's skeptical of sex-positive feminism. Don't really know what to make of it.
http://radtransfem.tumblr.com/post/39655781190/undoing-sex-against-sexual-optimism-negationparty
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link
rape is implicated in all forms of sex, and to perceive rape rightly as a scandal calls into question the foundation of every form of sexuality. Normative, civil sex is only one part of a system which has rape as its basis, as a central operating principle. The imagined integrity of the perfectly consenting subject amounts to little more than a regulatory principle of rape, a purity to be defended against a threatening Other.
the fruits of a tumblr education
― write 500 words of song (sleepingbag), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
that's hardcore
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link
This is not to say that humans, as animals prior to any development of culture, did not engage in behaviors now recognized as “sex”, but rather their discursive meaning and all the material practices constituting them are historically produced. In the same manner, humans have always acted and created, but it is only in capitalist development, in the processes that alienated and proletarianized us, that this becomes secured as “labor.” What drives us towards having sex, in the here and now, is something determined by the flows of power and economic structures that produce us as “women,” “men,” “trans,” “straight,” etc. If thousands of years ago there was a pre-gendered mode of pleasure, embodiment, and usage of genitalia, it is irretrievably lost to us.
seems iffy? at the very least this pre-cultural sex should be vestigial, if not underlining the entire thing.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link