The Wolf of Wall Street (new Scorsese)

haven't seen it yet! but come on, how many edits does gravity even HAVE, its famous for being barely edited at all!

It has 156 edits.

correct me if i'm wrong but "editing" in this sense includes computer composition, yes? in which case, the whole movie is one long heavily edited sequence in the same way that an animated piece is. Actually after seeing gravity in imax, it occurred to me it was basically a FPS video game with way too many lengthy and badly written dragon age style asides so maybe it's better served in best full length animation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqvm9QBTlI

correct me if i'm wrong but "editing" in this sense includes computer composition, yes? in which case, the whole movie is one long heavily edited sequence in the same way that an animated piece is. Actually after seeing gravity in imax, it occurred to me it was basically a FPS video game with way too many lengthy and badly written dragon age style asides so maybe it's better served in best full length animation

― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:20 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

VFX are their own category, plus there are technical oscars for that stuff

still have to see this again at a decent theater

xp tell that to everyone voting on Best Cinematography for the last four years running.

Jonah Hill Prosthetic Penis in IMAX

Pretty soon they'll have to separate all the tech categories between CGI/non-CGI like they used to B&W/color.

s1ocks: so editing has to be about cutting film? i know there was loads of fx in gravity obvs, but the editing to get bullock and clooney's heads throughout seems pretty fucking complicated and artfully accomplished. just trying to get a clear sense of where they draw the line with this.

Academy members don't draw lines, they do 'em

xp not being snarky; i know you're a filmmaker so genuinely curious on insight here

It's a good point, really. I mean, credits on a film like "Finding Nemo" are just as long, if not longer, than credits on a live-action feature, right down to DP, lighting, et al. Just a different method to the medium. Something like "Iron Man 3," I wonder how much of that was actually real? Iirc there was something like 1000 FX guys in the credits scroll.

s1ocks: so editing has to be about cutting film? i know there was loads of fx in gravity obvs, but the editing to get bullock and clooney's heads throughout seems pretty fucking complicated and artfully accomplished. just trying to get a clear sense of where they draw the line with this.

― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:29 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya i would say that's more compositing. editing = montage. if you wanna call that editing, you might as well call... set design? editing? prop making?

"vfx editing" is its own category/job in post-production though.

so they accredit that stuff in tech oscars and keep it separate as far as the academy's concerned? and if so, how come it got a nod?

those ppl couldn't even tell makeup from CG in Benjamin Button

I'm guessing most tech Oscars probably don't go to the team members who actually most deserve them.

looking at the tech oscars web page, it seems like they are specifically given out for particular contributions, and they don't have set categories.

but there is a VFX category in teh "main" oscars. and presumably it goes to the head of the vfx team. (just as the cinematography award goes to the key person on the camera team, the DP).

definitely with situations like gravity, tho, what constitutes cinematography and what constitutes vfx is very blurry.

gravity getting a production design nom is another weird blurry line

xp Which is why it's going to sweep them all.

Avatar/Alice in Wonderland/Hugo all won production design. No going back there either.

gravity getting a production design nom is another weird blurry line

― Hungry4Ass, Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i mean... if the emphasis is on the DESIGN tho, who cares whether its built or not.

but then again you might as well hand the award to an animated film then. or give gollum teh best actor of all time award. and ruin everything.

Avatar/Alice in Wonderland/Hugo all won production design. No going back there either.

― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:00 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ya sometimes feels like the award is for "most" prod design

no kidding! most editing, most acting...

Most scoring.

Wolf boasted a fair amount of CGI work too, interestingly enough.

And by "interestingly," I mean "not really."

not really enough?

Exactly. Needed more CGI.

Needed a meat cleaver in editing room.

Gravity isn't the sucky editing nomination in this field. Dallas Buyers Club is. Get your facts straight not gay, slock.

― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:04 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god, i just watched DBC today, it's really very bad! feels like it leaves out basically all the interesting parts of the story. real tv movie.

Six nominations for that piece of crap. SIX!

the main thing that stuck with me about DBC were those bizarre scenes where mcconaughey's walking in front of green screened stock footage of foreign cities

i feel like all the fascinating details of that story, how he got in touch with all those people, the research he did, all of that was jettisoned in favour of award-bait jared leto scenes and shots of dewy-eyed j garns.

and the movie's idea of character development was like... mcconaughey is repulsed by jared leto's character *six months later* he likes him now

also treating AZT as like, the bad guy, was a bit dubious

*title card with tiny type at the end of the movie* azt is actually good

I haven't seen this yet but according to the New Yorker, Jonah hill got into character by prank calling best buys for hours

i feel like all the fascinating details of that story, how he got in touch with all those people, the research he did, all of that was jettisoned in favour of award-bait jared leto scenes and shots of dewy-eyed j garns.

― socki (s1ocki),

yah like I said upthread I like "process" movies -- movies about watching people at work. This guy went from redneck to Jason Bourne in eight minutes.

yup exactly!

yah like I said upthread I like "process" movies -- movies about watching people at work.

right on!

disappointed at hearing the movie isn't good.

i was kinda into it more than i expected but i think it's because of how hard Mac Dog sold it. he's really great but yeah the movie doesnt surprise you at any turn

it feels almost like he actually wanted to make the movie about the jared leto character and his love of t rex cuz all those scenes feel like they're in a trailer for another film entirely

also treating AZT as like, the bad guy, was a bit dubious

I could introduce you to some AIDS activists from the '80s who would verify that was part of the problem.

it was extremely oversimplified tho no?

well, like everything in a commercial AIDS movie

I haven't seen this yet but according to the New Yorker, Jonah hill got into character by prank calling best buys for hours

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, February 1, 2014 8:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the adam sandler school of acting, jonahs a trailblazer

wouldn't adam sandler be the trailblazer in that scenario

that's how pacino prepared for glengarry glen ross iirc