2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

er some odd syntax due to editing there: "you can fault obama for not defusing IT well enough"

Clinton Camp: Obama Attacks Suggest Campaign is “Unable to Make the Positive Case”

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Senior adviser Ann Lewis scolds Obama on media conference call for stepping up attacks against Clinton after Tuesday’s votes, says instead he should talk about his “positive ideas” on the issues.

“I did not realize that their version of new politics is to recycle some of the same old Republican attacks on Hillary that have failed for years.”

Howard Wolfson says he doesn’t “believe imitating Ken Starr” is a way to run a nomination campaign. Permalink

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THIS SHIT

something happened in NYC today that will only help McCain in the GE:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/06/times.square/index.html

hey can we knock it off with this idea that the press is easy on obama?

yea. i think whatever "free pass" or favoritism the press presumably gave obama before no longer stands.

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO BUY THIS SHIT

EVERYWHERE. They are the kind of people who elected GWB twice.

its just such a transparent attempt to reframe an apple as an orange

and thats not even touching on the hypocrisy of it

Again, she's using Rove's strategies -- audaciously blame the other guy for doing what you're doing.

right but calling her campaign shameless is just a cheap media narrative amirite

But they're using Rove's tactics in a way that resembles a star MBA grad trying to get his footing in the real business world.

gff OTM. obama's just doing the same thing maaaaaaaan!

did you guys hear her radio ad that presented itself as a news story about Obama's NAFTA 'lie' - only to say 'paid for by hillary clinton' at the end? Like, it was a fake news radio ad

what "rovian" things is the obama camp supposed to have said?

deej did you hear the jimmy carter radio ad that presented itself as a johnny cash "song"?? what a bait and switch

wtf are you talking about now?

i mean when carter starts using great musicians with personal integrity to further his own political ends it's like, who buys this shit

tracer srsly wtf dude. you are relishing in just being reactionary against people who care. so not you!

are you dumb? xpost

there is a vast strategic and moral difference between presenting your political ad as a news story and presenting it as a song

are you implying that pop songs and false news broadcasts are comparable in information value to the voting public, or you just being a jackass? xpost

dude the faux outrage here over hoary old campaign tactics has reached epic proportions. if you guys are this sensitive now over things like, what, the clinton camp saying that obama is going negative, or a radio ad that pretends to be a news bulletin.. christ, your heads are gonna explode in the g.e.! it's as if no one here has ever followed a campaign before. sure, i'd prefer it if both sides dialed down their OWN faux outrage over every niggling issue but just cause they don't - and won't - doesn't mean we have to follow them down that road.

and no one answered my question - what supposedly rovian accusation did the obama camp make?

(just to have some context for the consensus here that the clinton camp is continuing its shameless jujitsu)

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2007/12/08-15/15_seinfeld_lgl.jpg

What is the DEAL with those politicians?

dude, we get these are sop. we just don't like it in intramural fights, especially when there's good evidence that the losing party is less electable.

and no one answered my question - what supposedly rovian accusation did the obama camp make?

i think they just said she should release her tax returns?

This is an election news update with a major news story reported by the AP. While Senator Obama has crisscrossed Ohio giving speeches attacking NAFTA, his top economic advisor was telling the Canadians that was all just political maneuvering. A newly released document from the Canadian government shows that Obama’s senior economic advisor met with the Canadian Consul General and made clear that Obama’s attack on NAFTA were just, quote, “political maneuvering,” not policy. Political maneuvering, not policy. In fact, the document shows that Obama’s advisor also assured the Canadians that these attacks against NAFTA would not continue. Obama would not want to be, quote, “fundamentally changing the agreement.” As Senator Obama was telling one story to Ohio, his campaign was telling a very different story to Canada. How will Ohioans decide whether they can believe Senator Obama’s words? We’ll find that out on election day. Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President.

can i care about shit and make *your* head explode in the process?

the NYT ran a brief today reporting that the Canadian prime minister denies any such conversation happened.

gabbneb, doesn't that apply to the obama people too?

i dont know how you can be so in denial about a substantial difference between the way obama's campaign and hillary's campaign are running their 'attacks' - even now that obama's 'gone negative' he's not exactly using 'smears' - he was entirely forthcoming about rezko, right? she's just bringing it up again and again because the trial is going on. vs. her not actually releasing her tax information

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the rekzo "scandal" come down to the fact that they owned property next door to one another? is there anything more than that?

what is the big deal with hillary's tax returns?

gabbneb, doesn't that apply to the obama people too?

by the "obama people" do you mean him and his surrogates or do you mean some dudes on the internet? because all we've seen from the former (so far) is "she's old news and the old way of doing business." also, the evidence is that she's less electable.

what is the big deal with hillary's tax returns?

-- Tracer Hand, Thursday, March 6, 2008 11:11 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

dunno. why won't she release them?

hahaha

She has said she'll release them in april anyway and there's twenty years of them in the PD, what gives other than the narcissism of the increasingly small differences between the two candidates.

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the rekzo "scandal" come down to the fact that they owned property next door to one another? is there anything more than that?

-- YGS, Thursday, March 6, 2008 11:10 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

he purchased some land adjacent to his property from rezko
it was entirely above board but rezko was under investigation at the time

the extent of the scandal is that (a) he purchased land from rezko (b) while rezko was under federal investigation, and later (c) obama was found to have received donations from rezko associates (which funds were almost immediately disgorged from obama's campaign coffers)

that's pretty much it, i think?

She has said she'll release them in april anyway

-- Ed, Thursday, March 6, 2008 11:12 AM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

when she had hoped to have the nomination locked up

the press has asked for tax returns to see where the clintons' $34 mil in income came from. think of bill's business dealings with that eastern european oil dude and how bill then got him on the opec-like board out of nowhere. see also: mark rich.

"what is the big deal with hillary's tax returns?" is basically exactly what obama's said so far. but the actual big deal is the fact that she's married to a guy who has spent the last 8 years cozying up to the richest people on the planet, so the question is what sort of influence has been bought via a major foundation, next to which antoin tony rezko is a very tiny bear.

the obama camp is claiming that clinton's tax returns are relevant because of her personal loan to her campaign -- arguing that the public has a right to know where her money comes from if she uses it to fund her campaign

"release the documents!!!!" without any evidence of wrongdoing is the ultimate lame smear

ygs i have no idea about rezco, i honestly pay very little attention to these obvious random distractions except when they involve nubile young ladies or a length of rubber hose

She has said she'll release them in april anyway

-- Ed, Thursday, March 6, 2008 11:12 AM

Reason #25 Why Electing HRC Would be More of the Same:

the press has asked for tax returns to see where the clintons' $34 mil in income came from. think of bill's business dealings with that eastern european oil dude and how bill then got him on the opec-like board out of nowhere. see also: mark rich.

^^^^

a fishing expedition, in other words

when she had hoped to have the nomination locked up

-- deej, Thursday, March 6, 2008 12:13 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yeah but the GE campaign is going on then?