Which film critics do you trust (if any?)

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this guy is a total douche:

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/features/article2160412.ece

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/film/2007/01/the_great_unseen_films_of_2006.html

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 19 January 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

From the beginning of cinema, film artists working in the new medium understood that its strength was not in straight narrative, something literature or the theatre could do better.

Good lord that's a wrong sentence.

chap (chap), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

on so many levels. if anything it'd probably be more accurate to say 'from the beginning of cinema, film artists tried to find ways of contructing narratives.'

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 19 January 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
What every film critic should know

Well, I knew I wasn't one.


They should know their jidai-geki from their gendai-geki, be familiar with the Kuleshov Effect and Truffaut's "Une certain tendance du cinéma français", know what the 180-degree rule is and the meaning of "suture".

They should have read Sergei Eisenstein's The Film Sense and Film Form and the writings of Bela Balasz, André Bazin, Siegfried Kracauer, Roland Barthes, Christian Metz and Serge Daney.

They should have seen Jean-Luc Godard's Histoire du Cinema, and every film by Carl Dreyer, Robert Bresson, Jean Renoir, Luis Buñuel and Ingmar Bergman, as well as those of Jean-Marie Straub and Danielle Huillet, and at least one by Germaine Dulac, Marcel L'Herbier, Mrinal Sen, Marguerite Duras, Mikio Naruse, Jean Eustache and Stan Brakhage. They should be well versed in Russian constructivism, German expressionism, Italian neo-realism, Cinema Novo, La Nouvelle Vague and the Dziga Vertov group.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

They should be well versed in Russian constructivism, German expressionism, Italian neo-realism, Cinema Novo, La Nouvelle Vague and the Dziga Vertov group

Not much different from an English grad degree!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

"I believe that every film critic should know, say, the difference between a pan and a dolly shot, a fill and key light, direct and reflected sound, the signified and the signifier, diegetic and non-diegetic music, and how both a tracking shot and depth of field can be ideological."

what the fuck is reflected sound? srsly. but anyway the guy is fairly obviously a 70s throwback.

imo film critics

They should know their Bill Pullman from their Bill Paxton, be familiar with the Vertigo shot and Beynayoun's "Les Enfants du Paradigm", know what the truffle-shuffle is and the meaning of "blue steel".

They should have read Paul Rotha's 'The Film Till Now' and the writings of Raymond Durgnat, Michel Ciment, Edgar Morin, David Bordwell, William Empson and Manny Farber.

They should have seen Michael Mann's 'Crime Story', and every film by Alain Resnais, Andy Warhol, Stanley Kubrick, Francesco Rosi and Humphrey Jennings, as well as those of the Berwick Street Film Collective, and at least one by Wong Kar Wai, Jim McBride, Antoine Fuqua, Thorold Dickinson, Olivier Assayas, Jonas Mekas and William Klein. They should be well versed in British documentarism, the New American Cinema, the Frat Pack, the Left Bank Group, London Filmmakers Co-op and SLON.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I don't care what film critics know or don't know. I don't care whether or not their tastes are similar to mine. I don't even need them to get the basic facts right.

I want them to write well, in a manner that somehow engages my interest. And I want their writing to cause me to think about things that would never occur to me otherwise. That's it.

Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

it's all very arbitrary in the end--academic film studies are not the same thing as film criticism, though there is overlap; but ye gods a qualification in film studies in no way qualifies you to write about film professionally. not really sure what it *does* qualify you for, but this guy is equally confused, mixing up technical terms about filmmaking (180-degree rule -- does anyone even follow this rule now? they don't on 'the shield') and structuralist bullshit (signifier/signified). radically different discourses involved. and he doesn't see it.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Beales OTM

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

I just wanna know HOW you see all the Straub-Huillet films.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

i dont think i read ANY film critics anymore. this saddens me.

ryan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Thorold Dickinson

Heh, I love that original Gaslight.

I know *about* most of that film theory stuff -- I just keep forgetting what the Kuleshov effect is called -- but reading an entire book of it, even by Eisenstein, is too daunting for me.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

"I just wanna know HOW you see all the Straub-Huillet films.

Dr Morbius on Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:06 (14 minutes ago)"

well this is the thing. i've had my eye out for them for i guess about five or six years. in that time in london, an art-house capital, the back film has played, and one of the later ones ('moses and aaron'?) but nothing else, literally. the back film and one short thing from '68 exist on dvd. and i'd assume this dude isn't so keen on dvds.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

when i say 'played' i mean 'played about once to an audience of about 30.'

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think all film folx should watch Grease 2. Also all non-film folx.

Abbott, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

"WHY DON'T I GET NO RESPECT?"

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Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

ILX! /sarcasm

stevienixed, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I somehow missed the douche-iness of the articles Enrique linked last month.

Eric H., Wednesday, 28 March 2007 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Dennis Lim, ex-Voice film ed, to supervise new film site/database

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

Rob Nelson latest casualty of Village Voice Media bloodbath

Eric H., Monday, 27 August 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Margaret Pomeranz and David Stratton

S-, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:04 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Good if long Edelstein interview (thanks to Scott Woods). Revelations: Dustin Hoffman's overrated, Josh Hartnett isn't used enough, and this:

probably shouldn’t say this, but I really appreciated Jackie Brown, really appreciated its beauty and magnificence when I saw it high. I hadn’t seen it high the first time and I loved it. When I saw it high I never wanted it to end. It was the ultimate stoner movie. The violence in the movie was for the most part off-camera, for the most part pretty upsetting in its implications. In no way are you supposed to get off on the violence in that movie. [The violence] is absurd, it’s sudden, it’s horrific. Even Samuel L. Jackson’s death is presented as a betrayal. And the death of Robert De Niro is disgusting. And obviously the death of Bridget Fonda is hauntingly absurd. Poor Chris Tucker is the other one. I’m mystified by the level of hostility to Tarantino among serious film writers as well as mainstream film critics.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

morbius is gonna love that

s1ocki, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

He's pretty OTM on Brokeback Mt.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

also, I liked Jackie Brown, straight.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

what cinema needs is more josh hartnett

omar little, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Even I'm starting to get a little tired of the "omg why don't more people give Jackie Brown respect" thing, and I still think it's his best one.

Eric H., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

i wasn't aware ppl didn't give it respect!

s1ocki, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Precisely.

Eric H., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

I miss Edelstein in Slate.

jaymc, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

He's right about Boys Don't Cry too.

on BBM: I remember your comment about the sex scene in Brokeback Mountain: Where are all the bodily fluids?

That was sex as sanctification. I don’t buy that. It was done on an entirely Platonic level.

It struck me as a gay sex scene written by a woman. It had no understanding of male animal desire.

That’s why my wife loved it. It’s a chick flick. Well the movie didn’t take place on that plane. It was the apotheosis of gay sex. It was gay sex as set against purple mountain majesties. It was set in this phony Americana, this exultation of the cowboy. It might have been the only way Americans would see a gay movie. These things happen in stages. I wrote a book with the gay producer Christine Vachon. She had a hit with Go Fish. She was trying to figure out why nothing she did had any chance of breaking through in the mainstream with anything that was gay. Not even Boys Don’t Cry was a real hit.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Hey, Jackie Brown is the only tarantino one I like more than saying "yeah, it was ok"-- I wouldn't go as far as to say I 'loved' it (saved for only my top 20 flix OAT) but it was definitely my fave of the bunch.

Will M., Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

Christopher Tookey in the Daily Mail is the most enjoyable to read. He just doesn't like films at all.

If gives a page full of one-star reviews, it's because he's in a generous mood. Normally he gives everything a little turkey symbol.

PhilK, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

filmbiz friend finds Edelstein secretly gay

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

Is that why he admits to squirming during homosex?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

like John Simon?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

Edelstein != Ehrenstein

jaymc, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

I know they are diff

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 18:57 (eighteen years ago)

I had to read that whole interview just to make sure Soto was misreading the thing about Josh Hartnett as being more positive than I think it was meant. I love the worst biopic lines contest references in the intro to that article, had never seen it before:
http://www.slate.com/id/2111080/

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

great interview - I'm perplexed that he doesn't apply the same rules to Natural Born Killers as he does to Tarantino's Kill Bill or Grindhoues. Very weird. The violence in NKB is totally cartoony and stylized and an obvious hyperactive joke/commentary on America's love affair with celebrity and violence.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut was a great musical. It delivers all the pleasures of a conventional dumb Broadway musical, and yet it’s obscene and satirical and silly and rude. It’s the best of both worlds for a Broadway musical queen like me.

that's EDELSTEIN

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Don't know/care if he is straight or claims to be or what, but a straight guy who likes musicals joking about it and calling himself a "Broadway musical queen" isn't exactly some kind of Freudian gotcha moment.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

also why is he not aware of rock n roll musicals (there were/are plenty - admittedly most of them are subpar and pale in comparison to the pre-rock n roll era but STILL)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

It LOOKS like I'm misreading the bit about Hartnett, but he contradicts himself: "Here are people I want to see more of. Like Topher Grace or Josh Hartnett, or whose that guy married to Demi Moore -- I don’t know these people that well. I haven’t seen them. I know they get a lot of parts. I can’t remember them."

Love the bit about Cruise not being "open about his instrument.'

Apparently he sees something in C. Thomas Howell's vanilla face than I ever dreamed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

he wants to see more of ashton kutcher, josh hartnett, and topher grace.

for the love of christ.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but that's after he namedrops Hartnett as an example of "bland American juvenile actors" and concedes that "Maybe he hasn’t been tested," so I took him to mean that he'd have to see more of guys like him and Ashton Kutcher before denouncing them as "so bad you wonder why anyone hires them." The way you boiled it down to "Josh Hartnett isn't used enough" makes it sound like a ringing endorsement of the guy to casting directors everywhere. (xpost)

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see enough of Topher Grace either.

He repeats Kael's contention that Christopher Walken could have been the Gene Kelly of our time.

(xpost)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

He IS being ambivalent, I'll concede. If he admits he can't remember them in movies, that's probably their fault.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

Grace would be good in a Woody Allen movie

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

(certainly better than Jason Biggs)

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 18 September 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)


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