i like zacharek but that review couldnt be less otm
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link
Not sure if it's been linked to already, but another negative review that jibed perfectly with my own reaction is Edelstein's:
http://www.vulture.com/2013/12/movie-review-the-wolf-of-wall-street.html
(Agreeing with a critic is secondary to engaging with the critic's writing, but I did find myself in sync with Edelstein a high percentage of the time this past year. Also think he's an excellent writer.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link
edelstein's review sucked too, he didnt even think about the movie
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
plz to link to a negative or at least mixed/conflicted review you don't think sucked?
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
i only read 3 reviesw, link me some and ill evaluate them 1 by 1
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
just to clarify, edelstein's a good writer (i do think he has a problem with giving into his glibbest reaction to a movie when it isnt something immediately to his taste) and i dont fault anyone wwho didnt like the movie, i totally get why someone might look at 3 hours of unmoderated degeneracy and go 'thats it?' (especially if they didnt find it particularly funny) - i just dont think the things he says about it are very apt, especially The Wolf of Wall Street is three hours of horrible people doing horrible things and admitting to being horrible. But you’re supposed to envy them anyway, because the alternative is working at McDonald’s and riding the subway alongside wage slaves.
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
The shot of the FBI guy in the subway felt like another shading from Belfort's retelling of the story - like from Belfort's POV, /of course/ Chandler would be all sad on the subway, with bags under his eyes, while Belfort is playing tennis in minimum security prison
― 龜, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
Chandler is also such a great caricature of a film noir detective. Those heavyset owls, jowls, and that five o clock shadow!
― 龜, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 21:04 (ten years ago) link
he gave my favorite performance
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 January 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link
yeah that chandler guy's really good. ive seen him in a few things and he was awesome in all of them. he's the friday night lights guy right?
― Hungry4Ass, Wednesday, 1 January 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link
This movie was great
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 01:58 (ten years ago) link
i totally get why someone might look at 3 hours of unmoderated degeneracy and go 'thats it?' (especially if they didnt find it particularly funny) - i just dont think the things he says about it are very apt
otm, yet to find a negative review that doesn't try infer some kind of failed message or misunderstanding on scorsese's part, instead of just saying "i don't need to watch 3 hours of Greed Follies, thank you"
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
I mean shit like this
Scorsese seems to think that by blowing Belfort’s book up to three hours he’s making an epic statement. But it’s not as if he shows you the consequences of Belfort’s actions.
is so projecting (has this guy ever seen Marty in epic statement mode? cuz this movie ain't it) and moralistic (maybe martin realizes you don't need to see the umpteenth fucking speech about how money isn't everything)
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link
imo the tone was sort of like dr. strangelove in its "the lunatics have taken the asylum" yocky cynicism with a touch of "hey being rich and high IS fun" quaalude nostalgia - which I appreciated him finding a less tapped-out time-period for. Hilarious that while everyone is raiding his '70s jukebox, he's scoring scenes to the Lemonheads and having people dance on a yacht to "hip hop hooray."
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link
granted maybe if i had a college-age kid maybe i'd be all upset that martin went and made my son another shameful dorm poster
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:14 (ten years ago) link
hey did anyone watch cosmopolis hahahaha
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link
i tried
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link
same, couldnt deal. one of my best friends rides for it, he's pretty weird though
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link
his other favourite movie is syriana
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link
Crapshitopiss
― Hungry4Ass, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link
watching cosmopolis is very close to the experience of redaing cosmopolis, which means it Sucks
I thought the disturbing message from this film, or at least one of them, is that money sort of *is* everything. It even invokes the "I've been rich and I've been poor and rich is better" mantra. It's the fullest, grossest, most OTT corruption of the American dream yet: you, too, can become rich, and fuck everyone else if that's what it takes. If there's anything too subtle about this, it's the film's relationship with the current financial state of affairs, the true Masters of the Universe on Wall Street who still rape and pillage at an almost unheard of scale. The movie is similarly subtle about emphasizing that for all his largesse, Jordan was not a major player. He was a street hustler who got in through the back door. The real power players are born into it, and get away with more (and probably worse).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:25 (ten years ago) link
so awesome that martin can still scare fuddies with excessive dark humor only now the fuddies are twenty plus years younger than him
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:41 (ten years ago) link
"grandpa how could you imply that excessive drug use and greed can be enjoyable, let alone entertaining to watch?! my son is watching!"
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:43 (ten years ago) link
basics fretting abt glamorizing zzzzz
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:52 (ten years ago) link
i mean its a movie its glamour that why its cool
preach
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:53 (ten years ago) link
art man, art
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link
also like, that shit was glamorous irl, too
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link
yeah being successful and powerful and rich is glamorous
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:55 (ten years ago) link
damn, croup, thought your ass would get numb watching it too
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:55 (ten years ago) link
i mean they couldve been even more glamorous if they werent such tools but you know
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:56 (ten years ago) link
glamorous tools
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
numb butts
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
Meryl Streep as glamorous tool.
― 龜, Thursday, 2 January 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link
it was long, yeah, come trophy-time i'll probably root for llewyn over it (and in part for sentimental "it's about something bigger" reasons!) but there were a ton of amazing performances, set pieces, etc and it wasn't so long that i forgot it's a comedy and started fantasizing that scorsese doesn't realize how cynical he's being. there's more to this world than Strangelove-type movies suggest but that doesn't mean i'll stop laughing and cry out for Fail-Safe instead.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:01 (ten years ago) link
That's my trouble. Apart from being happy to see Scrunchy Face realize he's a good physical actor and hasn't been one since 2002 the rest were pretty much what you'd expect if Kyle Chandler, Jonah Hill, and McConoughheyhey were cast in a movie about glamorous tools.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
hill was the best part imho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link
he's made lovey-dovey eyes at his leading men before cept now he's doing it with his teeth
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:05 (ten years ago) link
hill was great (shit, everyone was - margot robbie esp) though i wonder if he'll ever outgrow the gay-baiting improv
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:07 (ten years ago) link
Robbie's tease bit was the only thing I remembered she did, but then I like blonde men.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:08 (ten years ago) link
funny that edelstein brings up martin sheen but forgets to mention rob reiner's father figure entirely. reiner calls out how obscene it is, advises his son to be smart, but doesn't pull some pious "i made my money the honest capitalist way" shit - he knows how money works.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:12 (ten years ago) link
martin sheen in wall street, to be clear.
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:13 (ten years ago) link
the father in this movie was great
― flopson, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:13 (ten years ago) link
when leo's telling him about the whores
Reiner swearing and shouting was at J-Law levels of unbelievability. Another run at his bit in Bullets Over Broadway.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
rare is the ilxor that should be calling a huffy pretentious equalizer fan absurd
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
I hated it because its dark humour scared me?
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:17 (ten years ago) link
def scared edelstein and zacharek - don't think i scrolled up to whatever your issue was so don't take it personal
― da croupier, Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:18 (ten years ago) link
da croup, my man.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 2 January 2014 03:22 (ten years ago) link