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Hackett's going to be on Ed Schultz this hour.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, and if anybody's near a radio(or can do a webstream at work), Hackett's gunna be on the Ed Schultz Show in about a half-hour

xpost

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:59 (twenty years ago)

anybody hear limbaugh this morning

I figured I'd just
wait for Eth4n to tell us
it was OTM

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Okay, Hackett says it was mainly a money thing, and he didn't think he had the resources to raise $2M in 6 weeks before the primary, and he had no problem with Harry Reid.

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

That's bullshit I'd guess.

multixpostBlount
I got a survey from the Republican Party ....

― Dave will do (dave225.3), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:57 (twenty years ago)

Hackett didn't think he could raise the money because of Schumer and the Senate bigwigs, per his statement in the AP story.

"My donor base and host base on both coasts was contacted by elected officials and asked to stop giving,” Hackett said. “The original promise to me from Schumer was that I would have no financial concerns. It went from that to Senator Schumer actually working against my ability to raise money.”

Saying he felt betrayed by his own party, the 43-year-old Indian Hill attorney dropped out of the Senate race and declared his short political career over.

“I made this decision reluctantly, only after repeated requests from party leaders, as well as behind-the-scenes machinations, that were intended to hurt my campaign,” Hackett said in a statement.

How embarassing would it be to have this quote included in a national news story?
“Chuck Schumer should buy a conical hat and follow the wall until he finds a corner,” said Bob Brigham of San Francisco, one of three bloggers who runs the liberal political site SwingStateProject.com.
Bob Brigham, wit for hire.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

Bob Brigham was the blogger-dude who helped big-up Hackett's House campaign online, getting credited by CNN for a political play of the week. He was recalled as same in the Note today.

“The original promise to me from Schumer was that I would have no financial concerns. It went from that to Senator Schumer actually working against my ability to raise money.”

yeah, he's leaving out the intermediate steps of Hackett failing to make up his mind whether to run, Brown entering the race, and then Hackett entering the race after Brown was declared

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:25 (twenty years ago)

neat little bit here -- has a key line that summarizes a good part of what we've been saying here:

....Personality in a media age precedes policy.

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

Contrary to what he says on the immigration thread, gabbneb should looove Howard Dean after his spineless lying on The 700 Club recently:

http://www.ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=838

I don't even like state-sanctioned marriage for anybody, but everytime I hear a pandering Dem say "marriage is between a man and a woman" I yell "Fuck you" very loud.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

wtf? does he honestly think the Dems are gonna score points with the fuckin 700 CLUB?! Why alienate people who traditionally will vote for you (ie, the majority of the gay community) for the sake of people who have not and most likely will never vote for you?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

howard dean has never had an idea of what works and what doesn't.

― lf (lfam), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

otm

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

didn't dean legalize gay unions in vermont?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

he enacted (signed) it, but the story is a long and complicated one...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

How fucking unnecessary is that shit. I mean, come the fuck on, dude! The 700 club does not actually represent the muddled middle. Honestly, that is stupid and completely without strategic merit, not to mention immoral.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Howard Dean as leader of the Democratic Party is a fucking endless laugh track.

― don weiner (don weiner), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:18 (twenty years ago)

i like 'em, but going on the 700 club in this manner is retarded.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 May 2006 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Bush's approval rating could drop into the single digits, Cheney could be indicted for his role in the Plame affair, American casualties in Iraq could double in 6 months, gas could top $5 a litre, and the Democrats would still find a way blow it.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 19 May 2006 02:51 (twenty years ago)

gas could top $5 a litre

ANSWER: Converting to the metric system

― JW (these furlongs don't run) (ex machina), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:04 (twenty years ago)

dean blows. what a weasel. he sounded so stupid on the daily show the other night. just clueless and giggly and near incoherent. he's only fun when he's screaming. someone needs to yank him off the stage.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:05 (twenty years ago)

Dean: F
McCain: F

Republicans: F
Democrats: F
Greens: F

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOPPP!!! Disdain time!

― ((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:08 (twenty years ago)

I can count the number of politicans -- city, county, state, federal -- that I like on one hand.

I haven't felt this way about the U.S. before.

― ((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:09 (twenty years ago)

they are all horrible.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:10 (twenty years ago)

time to start from scratch.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:10 (twenty years ago)

well this is certainly how Karl Rove wants us to feel right now

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:11 (twenty years ago)

What people saw in this preppy blowhard will remain a mystery

― timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:11 (twenty years ago)

i'm just speaking for myself. i would just love to see one person speak in coherent sentences. just once. about anything. and make sense. and mean what they are saying. i'm a starry-eyed dreamer though. and not so i'll vote for them. just to remind me that not everyone who seeks public office is a brain-dead moron.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

well this is certainly how Karl Rove wants us to feel right now

As does Osama.

― ((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:16 (twenty years ago)

ted kennedy can almost convince me that he still actually cares about stuff. and he's not a moron even though his brain is half gin. who woulda thunk it after all these years? he's still a pandering dog though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:17 (twenty years ago)

well this is certainly how Karl Rove wants us to feel right now

As does Osama.

As do the pancakes.

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― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:23 (twenty years ago)

as does the HTML.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:23 (twenty years ago)

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― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:42 (twenty years ago)

Oops. Wrong thread. SMRT.

― Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:44 (twenty years ago)

I like my senator, Ron Wyden, and my congresscritter, Earl Blumenaer. I like Russ Feingold, Byron Dorgan, Obama, Max Cleland, and John Edwards.

Of course, all the guys I like aren't in control of things.

Howard Dean the talker is iffy; Howard Dean the planner is better.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 19 May 2006 03:56 (twenty years ago)

George Clooney could be the only hope for the entire planet, assuming W will start nuking shit soon.

He's famous, sort of smart, well spoken and hot. All Reagan had was famous.

― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 19 May 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Dems all wet in their "security" whitepaper:

"More or less money will do nothing to make Defense Department programs and mangers accountable through rudimentary financial management. Managers in the private sector who fail on this measure are fired; some go to jail. In the Defense Department, none are held accountable; many are promoted. When that changes, competent program and financial management can begin...

The Democrats want us to ignore how they helped to create the mess and their current intention to do nothing about it. In fact, they are not even thinking about solutions--and the Republicans appreciate that."

http://www.forward.com/articles/7819

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 May 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

i've largely taken a pass from this thread ... but this online interview from the new yorker is not only a good conversation starter but also a good way to think about the democratic party's direction.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:36 (twenty years ago)

I thought that interview (and the accompanying article) were good at making the point that Dems can't win just by energizing liberals - since there are a lot more self-identified conservatives than liberals in the US. What works for Rove with the GOP base would not work with the Dems and their base. Hence the need to be centrist.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:14 (twenty years ago)

exactly. the article is the best statement i've seen of what we need to do and why.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what the fuck 'centrism' is, but as practiced by the Dems since the Clintonizing of the party it's standing for nothing.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

whereas standing for and doing nothing would be leftism. standing for something, falling for anything and doing nothing would be conservatism.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:40 (twenty years ago)

'centrism' = "I'm not the evil other you think I am"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

most ppls actual beliefs are liberal, they just dont self identify when asked because the right turned 'liberal' into a slur

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

yup. wot ethat said.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

lakoff/framing obv relevant here (yet again)

I found the assertion that raising the minimum wage or giving college tuition credits would be rallying policy points for the Democratic Party laughable (not that they're bad ideas - I support both - just that they are not BIG MORAL ISSUES that Dems can use to build a new identity)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:56 (twenty years ago)

wot ethan said is only true if you use a broad definition of "liberal," and in the sense that "most" = >50%. at least 35% of the voting public could never be described as "liberal"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

'concrete policies that will actually improve yr life' has been the only source of traction for the dems in any national election for as long as i can remember so not sure what's laffable about 'we should try the only thing that's worked for us in the past 25 years'? what was the last BIG MORAL ISSUES the dems used to build a new identity - 'cross of gold'??? arguably carter maybe but even there the only 'moral issue' was standard anti-washington tap. i'm thinking the only approach the dems have won with for nearly a hundred years (note: 'cross of gold' didn't even work at the time) might be the way to go, call me crazy.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:08 (twenty years ago)

most ppls actual beliefs are liberal, they just dont self identify when asked because the right turned 'liberal' into a slur

I believe that there are some substantive differences between self-identified liberals and self-identified moderates and conservatives- there's more going on here than the changing image of a word. There's a school of thought that says that Dems don't need to change any of their positions - they just need to change how they talk about them (ie., the Lakoff school). However, I think that there's a limit to how far you can go with this, unless you are going to come out and lie. People want to hear you talk the right talk, but they are also interested in what you say you are going to do, and they have a high aversion to any perceived phoniness. I think the successful candidate will have to combine the right language with some substantive policy proposals that show it's more than a matter of language.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

both OTM

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't agree with the way you re-phrase what I said there blount, nor do I agree that such issues were the sole source of Democratic successes in the 20th century. My point is that those small nickel-and-dime social policy stands, which the vast majority of the country support, are not the things that will successfully reframe the Democratic Party's identity and enable them to forge ahead revitalized in the coming years.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:54 (twenty years ago)

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