also i'm sure everyone knows this but that was the real jordan belfort introducing leo at the end
― balls, Sunday, 29 December 2013 23:16 (ten years ago) link
Also cf Tom Wolfe's piece about how the quants made testosterone a less valuable attribute in the WS world.
― tbd (Eazy), Monday, 30 December 2013 01:50 (ten years ago) link
Margin Call was tackier, more gauche but this was the better movie as far as eliminating scenes in which good actors mourn dogs.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:23 (ten years ago) link
I still think this fucking thing was too long and we've seen this shit already. Margot Robbie was Karen Hill.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:24 (ten years ago) link
margin call was a cool movie, fwiw i dont really mean i needed lots of financial exposition or w/e just that the wolf of ws just didnt feel like it really existed anywhere there was not much revealing detail of any sort character wise or environment or w/eit was just kinda spinning around in this wacky ass limbo, which admittedly was hilarious and fun but something about it just felt like it wouldve been more engaging w a lil more irl or something
first person to say that was the whole point i disagree and furthermore i dont like you
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 December 2013 02:34 (ten years ago) link
no way karen hill pulls a move like robbie standing in that doorway. which btw if anyone has a screencap of that to help me illustrate my point it would be much appreciated.
― balls, Monday, 30 December 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
Robbie Robertson?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 02:58 (ten years ago) link
In the end credits but not in the scene, I'm guessing. Between this and "Ladies of Tampa", Matthew McC's fit to tour.
― tbd (Eazy), Monday, 30 December 2013 03:03 (ten years ago) link
Karen Hill has moments of complexity, like when she takes the gun from Henry after he pistol-whips her neighbor, or the look in her eye as she tries to take in the immensity of her wedding. If Naomi had a second dimension beyond blonde bombshell, I missed it.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 December 2013 03:09 (ten years ago) link
You're right. Jonah Hill played Karen Hill.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 03:17 (ten years ago) link
key to understanding naomi is after the first and the last time leo fucks her
― balls, Monday, 30 December 2013 03:20 (ten years ago) link
jonah hill was tommy but ultimately no where near as charismatic. i mean at least tommy was funny, the way he'd tell a story.
― balls, Monday, 30 December 2013 03:21 (ten years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 December 2013 03:23 (ten years ago) link
i think the film should have spent at least a few minutes explaining/depicting how a pump and dump works, there was only one reference to brokers ignoring clients' calls iirc
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Monday, 30 December 2013 05:16 (ten years ago) link
Another great moment: the elation/horror of watching that woman shave her head. You can watch her pitiful emotions shifting from humiliation to humor and back to humiliation ... until they hand her $10,000K and she forgets all about her hair.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 December 2013 13:13 (ten years ago) link
the low angle shot of her sitting in the chair while the men act like animals was a crushing moment
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 13:16 (ten years ago) link
And yeah, we've seen this movie before, but not in the way we'd seen "Casino" before. One thing I appreciated about this movie is the same stuff others might complain about, that Leo's character is so selfish, and self-interested, that everything else falls by the wayside. So the FBI investigation proceeds, but on deep background. We get glimmers of what Naomi is like, but not much, because Leo's character barely acknowledges her himself when she's not in the same room.
Some more cool stuff: the occasional mind-reading gags, the aspect ratio/film type changes, the way it just cuts to the chase with the sex and drugs and rise to power. The flash horrific cut of that guy's suicide midway through. Oh, and yeah, again, the Jimmy Castor Bunch.
I thought the relationship between Leo and Jonah reminded me of the twisted relationship between Greg Kinnear and Willem Dafoe in "Auto Focus."
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 December 2013 13:19 (ten years ago) link
Oh, and the double punchlines of Leo strapped to the chair and also the FBI bust mid-infomercial.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 December 2013 13:20 (ten years ago) link
One thing I didn't quite get was the near absence of AIDS from the picture. Lots of hookers (of all stripes) and references to penicillin shots, but given the time period you would have thought the threat of AIDS would have been a real consideration.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 December 2013 13:24 (ten years ago) link
Other than the "Mrs. Robinson" cover (which I've always liked), what Graduate references were there, Josh? I guess I was so disheartened by the film they went past me. (When I think about it now, I guess there was a shot of Naomi meant to echo the famous shot of Bancroft with her legs crossed.)
― clemenza, Monday, 30 December 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link
Definitely that shot, but also (implied/echoed) with the (non) seduction of his wife's Aunt (who, of course, "lived through the '60s"). Maybe there's more. Little things.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 December 2013 15:23 (ten years ago) link
some testimonials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYXB8crww0I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPU08GnSjx4
― balls, Monday, 30 December 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link
Good viewing : http://www.charlierose.com/watch/60318162
― That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 30 December 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
oops. Sorry. That's an hour long intvw with Scorsese and DiCaprio on the film.
― That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 30 December 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
Worth a read in light of the movie:
http://nymag.com/nymetro/movies/features/2793/
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 December 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
thats great ty
― flopson, Monday, 30 December 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
Amazing movie
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 18:51 (ten years ago) link
Spiritual companion to Casino. Best Wahlberg performance of the decade
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:00 (ten years ago) link
Well I don't remember Casino too clearly except for the part about stealing hotel toiletries
But the shot at the end of Jordan giving a PUA seminar for Kiwis ======== Shot at end of casino of senior citizens overwhelming Las Vegas
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
still think the definitive wall st movie hasn't been made yet and that margin call came closer than this
i rescreened 'margin call' a couple of days ago before seeing 'wolf of wall street' and i kinda agree - 'margin call' felt a lot more true to 'what its like to work in finance now', it had a lot of subtle details that i appreciated: the way characters would shift btw using first name and surnames to address other characters, 'how much do you think x makes', the mentalist guy telling demi moore's character 'i'm not sure i do know that' &c &c. not sure all those details added up though in the big picture, i liked margin call a lot but its not a 'good movie' in the same way 'wolf of wall street' is? ego vs id or w/e
anyway i thought this was entertaining but hard to have any thoughts about, really. music was rad though
― chopper back (Lamp), Monday, 30 December 2013 19:12 (ten years ago) link
^ Yeah the part at the beginning with the dwarves, I was like, there's no way Wall St is like this now and then I realized it was a period piece, then I thought I'm glad somebody made a movie about Liar's Poker
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link
Movie about today's wall street is a bunch of quants sitting in a room staring intently at Black Scholes models on three widescreen monitors
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
Like I was thinking that man, Marty is maybe finally senile, it doesn't work like this anymore
Then I realized it was 1987, and then there was a shot of the strip mall and it was so beautiful
Loved all the period detials in this, those floppy double breasted suits and Bill Blass abstract geometric ties
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:21 (ten years ago) link
they still drop 20 gs at dinner tho
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:22 (ten years ago) link
Oh sorry just reading the thread through now and raelizing those points have been covered up thread
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Sunday, December 29, 2013 9:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
Haha not gonna say that was the whole point but it's a nice sleight of hand to name it The Wolf of Wall Street where the Wall Street part is more like, idk, the hardwood upon which the real performers are tap dancing
The movie's also pretty explicit about setting up these boiler room guys as not having a street number on the proper white shoe Wall Street, they keep on trying to barge onto the scene with the GS and Lehmans but never quite get there
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link
The other part where I thought Marty lost it was when he kept on playing all these Me First & The Gimme Gimme & that cottage industry of pop punk covers of all the songs he would have used if he hadn't already used them all before
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:28 (ten years ago) link
i've actually developed a soft spot for marty having lil clue or curiosity about music post-1981 or so beyond shit that reminds him of the clash maybe, when 'everlong' came in i actually chuckled. can actually imagine him cornering jonah hill and playing the lemonheads' 'mrs robinson' and going 'now do you know who originally had a hit w/ this?', not realizing jonah's too young to likely even know who the fuck the lemonheads were.
― balls, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:46 (ten years ago) link
'heres to you, mrs. robinson'
― chopper back (Lamp), Monday, 30 December 2013 19:50 (ten years ago) link
I always had a soft spot too for Marty's use of "what's the frequency kenneth" and "these are days" as key music cues in bringing out the dead.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 30 December 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link
Could've been worse; he could have used Ned's Atomic Dustbin and Brad.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 19:57 (ten years ago) link
Haha I forgot about the Everlong part. That was great xp
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 19:59 (ten years ago) link
About concerns of glamorization, that's a valid point of criticism for sure but narratively it's just being inside the head of that guy from high school who tried to sell you weed that was really oregano, as he tells his life story at your 20th reunion
Like the part in the beginning about the Ferrari being white, not red
Of course he did the most drugs had the biggest yacht had the biggest ragers
― 乒乓, Monday, 30 December 2013 20:03 (ten years ago) link
can't believe no one's
http://i.imgur.com/vc3zv6Z.jpg
― I'm going to need to spend some time alone possibly outdoors (rip van wanko), Monday, 30 December 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Scorsese's not in love with Belfort's wealth but he's sure in love with dramatizing it.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2013 20:23 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if buscemi gets some kind of weird residual from that equalizer episode now
― napgenius (goole), Monday, 30 December 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link
i thought there were mad quants in the 90's??
― flopson, Monday, 30 December 2013 22:50 (ten years ago) link
this movie kinda made me want to go into finance
― flopson, Monday, 30 December 2013 22:52 (ten years ago) link
well thats the thing they were quants but still very angry
― lag∞n, Monday, 30 December 2013 22:52 (ten years ago) link
-_-
― flopson, Monday, 30 December 2013 22:53 (ten years ago) link