The Wolf of Wall Street (new Scorsese)

this movie is kind of a mess but i loved it nonetheless. it's not as amazing as goodfellas (what is???) but it's tremendo.

Even golden-era Scorsese never cared about continuity... tons of mismatched shots all over the place.

Yeah, he really regrets winning an Oscar.

Now that you mention it, I'm sure I overheard some gossip that for that film, HE DID!

Goodfellas is lousy with continuity errors.

So this was pretty much a giant waste of time.

High five!!

The best thing I can say about it is that all involved (all of the men, anyway) clearly had a blast making it.

Now that you mention it, I'm sure I overheard some gossip that for that film, HE DID!

― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's been rumblings of this for a bit, yeah. Who knows how true they are.

tell me more

i kinda felt like the oscar win for scorsese was orchestrated in such a way that it came off as condescending (kinda like bigelow's win.)

some funny semi-flaming over this on my FB

I find the trailer at the top of this thread exquisitely charmless and unfunny. It gives me the same feeling I always got from watching John Lithgow and 3rd Rock From the Sun, like hey we're all just letting it all hang out and having a blast, and me I wanna put my foot through the screen.

otm, but an al leong endorsement bears more weight than a trailer

part of me feels this movie has as much in common with a jody hill movie as a scorsese/"wall street"/"boiler room" type movie in some ways

i believe in my boy al leong

Tossing in some chips for fellow azn al leong as well

It says something that, barely half a day after watching it, the only bits that stand out in my brain involve Jon Bernthal and Kyle Chandler, who get about 20 minutes' screentime between them.

Chandler's scene on the yacht is the best in the movie.

Chandler was super in The Spectacular Now. This guy needs a better press agent.

Glenn Kenny just listed this as his 3rd-fave of the year. I'll be curious to read his (eventual) take.

Richard Brody put it at #1, which is really the only place on a top 10 list it makes sense to slot it; it's an all-in kind of movie.

Are you two related

“I’m very happy with this. Leo DiCaprio, we kind of see things the same way. We have similar sensibilities and we want to make a certain kind of statement, hence the projects we choose. I chose Gangs of New York and Shutter Island. He wanted to do The Aviator. I chose The Departed. He wanted to do this new film.”

“That’s one of the reasons we made The Wolf of Wall Street, not to show the greed, but to be in the greed, to be part of it, part of the exaltation of it, part of the excitement of it and part of the destruction it causes.”

“After the war, I remember America in the 1950s, yes it was more innocent, more quote/ unquote repressed, no doubt, culturally, to a certain extent. I don’t remember, honestly, and we weren’t taught a great deal in certain schools, in certain specific things about American history, but I don’t remember them saying that the country was formed only so that everybody could get rich, I just don’t believe it. That feels, for me right now, that is what it feels like.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/martin-scorsese-in-conversation-guilt-trips-of-the-great-director-9000873.html

Well, "flatulent black comedy" sounds better than Jesse & Celine.

http://www.fandor.com/blog/daily-martin-scorseses-the-wolf-of-wall-street

My holiday gift to myself is going to be avoiding the comments on that one.

Make every day a holiday!

Calum has pretty much the same read on it, but was far less mixed ...

http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/the-wolf-of-wall-street-25600

floozie from The Apartment reads the riot act to Marty & Leo

http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2013/12/holiday-vs-scorsese/

according to Rene Rodriguez it's clear what side of the class war Marty's on:

The director even lands his closing shot, something he hasn’t always done well, leaving no doubt how he feels about Jordan, abandoning him in a perpetual hell of his own making. The Wolf of Wall Street isn’t a celebration of bad behavior: It’s a condemnation. Scorsese just allows you to share in the fun young millionaires can afford to have and lets you get drunk with them. Eventually, though, the party must end, as they always do, and most will leave the theater exhilarated and relieved at being part of the 99 percent.

The director even lands his closing shot,something he hasn’t always done well,

what did she not like the rat

exhilarated and relieved at being part of the 99 percent.

phew!

99% of film critics are completely useless

all art is quite useless

art is totally useful, not so sure about art criticism

The scene before the final scene is much more pointed (and avoids implicating the audience in the good-bad times ... which maybe was what Scorsese was trying to do in the first place).

http://www.film.com/movies/the-wolf-of-wall-street-morals

That's been Scorsese's weakness as a director, no? He's aware of The Audience as a shadowy thing, out there, and he's rarely sure about implicating them.

doesn't Pesci fire a gun at the audience at the end of GoodFellas? (presumably it's Liotta's dream/vision, but still)

Pesci's dead well before the end of Goodfellas...?

It's a vision, yeah

I don't even remember what the last shot of this movie is, and I'd like to think I'm usually pretty good at remembering those.

It was kinda the same as the last shot of A Touch of Sin.

I never took that final Pesci shot as a dream or vision of Liotta's, just a device thrown in there by Scorsese--a middle-finger representing the attitudes of all those guys, meant to sync up with the Sid Vicious song.

Is Frank Vincent anywhere in The Wolf of Wall Street? Chuck Low? I can see Chuck Low as some low-level brokerage guy hanging on by his fingernails.

Frank Vincent is not in this, will you settle for Fran Lebowitz?

There's a Frank Vincent-related joke I want to make, but I can't make it because she's a woman. My internal censor has come through (it doesn't always).

As picked up by TheWrap, 75-year-old actress Hope Holiday posted to her Facebook page that Scorsese was heckled by an unnamed screenwriter following a weekend screening of "The Wolf of Wall Street" for Academy Awards voters.

last night was torture at the Academy--"The Wolf Of Wall Street"---three hours of torture--same disgusting crap over and over again---after the film they had a discussion which a lot of us did not stay for--the elevator doors opened and Leonardo D. Martin S. and a few others got out then a screen writer ran over to them and started screaming--shame on you --disgusting--

In the comments section of her Facebook post, Holiday, who starred for Billy Wilder in "The Apartment" and "Irma la Douce," revealed that she also admonished the director, but then removed herself from the situation before a fight broke out. ("I ran down the stairs.")

christ this movie owns

nobody that old runs anywher

it was more of a power walk

Thelma:

I do think that everyone is rushing headlong into this complicated technology now to the point where interfacing with somebody else, or some other system, become so complicated, sometimes you just wish you could go to your flat-bed editing machine and just flick a switch and it would come on. But now my assistants spend a great deal of time, they understand this computer stuff better than I do, I edit on a computer but I don’t understand half of what we go through, editing the film and screening it… you have no idea how complicated all these have become, and I worry because it makes us so vulnerable, doesn’t it? All you need is for all the cell towers to down in some disaster and –

– Poof, all the movies are gone.

It’s very true, there is something scary about this rush. And you know digital isn’t stable. It has to be migrated every five years or else it just vanishes.

Yeah, it’s not even as good an archival medium as film.

That’s right. Film, if properly cared for, will last almost 100 years, but digital will not. You’re right, it’s a little scary....

I never thought of (this film) as a companion piece to “Goodfellas”, and I don’t think that Mr. Scorsese did either. I think he wanted it to have the rush quality of “Goodfellas” at points, but I don’t think of it as “Goodfellas” at all, I think that’s a whole different thing. These people are doing much more damage than the guys from “Goodfellas” were doing, that was somewhat limited to a few murders here and there, but the damage these people did was enormous, and you’re quite right that it’s very similar to “After Hours”, which by the way was also heavily improvised, and a tremendous amount of fun to cut. It was pretty wild, and this was pretty wild.

http://www.film.com/movies/thelma-schoonmaker-editor-interview-the-wolf-of-wall-street

holy shit, this movie

best since casino for sure. its grotesque and surprisingly maybe his ugliest/bleakest movie to date. really knocked me on my ass... also probably the funniest movie ive seen this year