ATTN: Copyeditors and Grammar Fiends

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I mean, a field is level or it's not. Saying some fields are leveler than other fields or that they are more level when the speaker really means they've been leveled better or that they are flatter -- it's not a pleasant situation to be in as a copywriter.

pplains, Saturday, 7 December 2013 14:21 (twelve years ago)

i think you're talking about scalar/absolute adjectives? empty, bald, pregnant. level.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Saturday, 7 December 2013 16:02 (twelve years ago)

yeah you're right. level. thanks guys.

ʎɐpunsunɾɐɔ (cajunsunday), Saturday, 7 December 2013 16:18 (twelve years ago)

I can easily assign a meaning to "more level", and I can't think of a better way to express that meaning (I'm ignoring the "playing field" part of the idiom here). I'm sure I say things like "more linear" all the time, even if some people would consider that infelicitous.

freemen (on the) space (seandalai), Sunday, 8 December 2013 03:11 (twelve years ago)

ok "flatter" conveys a similar meaning but pplains would presumably argue that a field is either flat or not flat and we're back where we started

freemen (on the) space (seandalai), Sunday, 8 December 2013 03:12 (twelve years ago)

http://www.hum.uu.nl/medewerkers/a.toledo/papers/Absolute_Relative_Variance.pdf

bamcquern, Sunday, 8 December 2013 04:36 (twelve years ago)

"Flat" doesn't necessarily mean "horizontal," does it?

Matt Groening's Cousin (Leee), Sunday, 8 December 2013 05:06 (twelve years ago)

second option, and no there's nothing wrong with the concept of a more level playing field

mind totally brown (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 December 2013 09:33 (twelve years ago)

Late to this party. I would encourage the construction "more nearly level", because level is a state more than a quality. To my mind, either something is 'level' or it is 'not level'.

Aimless, Sunday, 8 December 2013 19:35 (twelve years ago)

People who say they seek "a more level playing field" are actually requesting "a playing field that has been leveled more than others" or "leveled better than it has in the past."

There's no "leveler" field. Maybe "level" isn't an absolute description of something, but tell that to my wife after I've tried to instal a shelf on the wall.

pplains, Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:17 (twelve years ago)

In past use, "leveler" was a noun, referring to a person who wanted to eliminate inequalities of rank in society.

Aimless, Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:20 (twelve years ago)

They were this weird breed of green bubble-headed people who couldn't keep their balance.

pplains, Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:37 (twelve years ago)

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/396653/Levellers.jpg

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:46 (twelve years ago)

Dont understand the prob with degrees of level.

mind totally brown (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:48 (twelve years ago)

You'd agree that the cliffs of Dover might be more level than the cliffs of Moher?

Aimless, Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:08 (twelve years ago)

in this case - and i want to put the grammatical element to one side - let us imagine two football pitches. Pitch A has an incline running west to east of 2 degrees. Pitch B has an incline running east to west of 9 degrees. Pitch A is clearly "more level" than Pitch B, even tho neither of them are absolutely level.

fashionably coughed (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:12 (twelve years ago)

Pitch A is also "more level" in the advantage it offers to the team playing from the higher end, altho most team sports try to minimize that advantage by changing ends at some point.

fashionably coughed (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:14 (twelve years ago)

imagine two carpenters' apprentices having their work judged by their master

j., Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:14 (twelve years ago)

'closer to level' > 'more level'

mookieproof, Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:15 (twelve years ago)

And home team might water according to preferred style of play obv

Ok i think thats that cleared up now

mind totally brown (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:16 (twelve years ago)

This merry bandiment around what is better than 'more level' seems to me to be ignoring that 'more level' appears as part of a whole that simply is not to be fucked with in the ways suggested

mind totally brown (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:17 (twelve years ago)

mookie i can see how that construction might be logically preferable, sort of, but it's clumsier-sounding than "more level" imo

fashionably coughed (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:17 (twelve years ago)

Pitch A definitely closer to being level than Pitch B, that's for sure.

xp before mookie's

pplains, Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:17 (twelve years ago)

"...levels the playing field somewhat"

Pre-Madonna (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Sunday, 8 December 2013 21:48 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

I don't know if this is exactly the right thread, but I am confused by the use of "vintage" to seemingly mean "classic" (as in "this US Open performance has been vintage Nadal" or "this essay is vintage Didion") Is this a slangy usage that became mainstream or does the word "vintage" have a shade of meaning I'm missing? I know the word originally comes from wine ("vin" as in "vinyard"), so the "vintage" was the harvest, which in turn came to mean the year. Then I guess from this it somehow got bastardized to just mean "old."

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:16 (twelve years ago)

get a dictionary homie

j., Wednesday, 12 February 2014 16:19 (twelve years ago)

I don't know where else to put this:

http://www.elezea.com/2014/02/lorem-ipsum-gone-wrong/

, Monday, 24 February 2014 17:50 (twelve years ago)

here here herey herey herey

eeeLuvium (Leee), Monday, 24 February 2014 18:08 (twelve years ago)

blah blah blah blah blah blahb
albvh alvhbahv albvha blah,
says Lungani Zama

Ewan Huzami (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 24 February 2014 21:48 (twelve years ago)

i would have lay
vs
i would have lain

k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:11 (twelve years ago)

"to lie" being the infinitive

k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:12 (twelve years ago)

THIRD CONDITIONAL LAIN

conrad, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:19 (twelve years ago)

lain

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:20 (twelve years ago)

lain--lay is a transitive verb

waterbabies (waterface), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:21 (twelve years ago)

c1380 Wyclif Wks. (1880) 286 Þei han so longe leyen in so gret cursinge.

μ thant (seandalai), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:23 (twelve years ago)

Apparently "have lay" is attested up to the 17th century or so.

μ thant (seandalai), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:24 (twelve years ago)

yes, third conditional, thanks

k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:25 (twelve years ago)

Larger Q is why you would use a verb w/so many frikken rules

waterbabies (waterface), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 14:33 (twelve years ago)

two weeks pass...

look

i understand that this isnt going to stop now.

but 'speak to' is horrific. it's fucking horrific.

treeship's assailing (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 March 2014 22:55 (twelve years ago)

prepositions often get warped when describing abstract relationships. nature of the beast.

Aimless, Saturday, 22 March 2014 22:58 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

A Utah language-school employee was reported to have been fired for blogging about homophones.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 20:11 (eleven years ago)

three months pass...

is there a recognized supplement to the apa manual on questions of style? i am way more used to chicago and i keep finding that every time i have a question i can expect chicago to answer, the apa manual is a useless piece of garbage

j., Sunday, 23 November 2014 23:37 (eleven years ago)

three months pass...

what's a good word for "approachability" -- i.e. referring to someone who is accomplished but not intimidating

k3vin k., Thursday, 26 February 2015 19:38 (eleven years ago)

In what sort of a sentence would this good word be employed?

Aimless, Thursday, 26 February 2015 19:41 (eleven years ago)

Would modest or humble work in the context?

Tomás Piñon (Ryan), Thursday, 26 February 2015 20:04 (eleven years ago)

i went with "affable". "modest" seemed insufficiently...reverent for someone so accomplished

k3vin k., Thursday, 26 February 2015 20:08 (eleven years ago)

approachable

local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:14 (eleven years ago)

You can be affable without being accomplished

groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:30 (eleven years ago)

I can at least! Haha.

groundless round (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:30 (eleven years ago)

you may be asking one word to do too much work

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 February 2015 21:32 (eleven years ago)


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