Americanisms that will never, ever cross over into the UK

it's not a holding of great britain... but great britain is not a political entity...

I think he's playing you, dog

xpost to col. poo

Apparently, he wasn't!

Ireland hasn't been a part of the United Kingdom since 1922.

If they included it they'd just have to call it "Ok Britain"

burn on Ireland!

waht? course ireland is included in the term "british isles"

You try telling the Irish that

Okay, now I'm just confused.

The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland where its use is objected to by many people and by the government of the Republic of Ireland. Its use is also avoided in relations between the governments of the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom, who generally employ the euphemism these islands.

The diagram above explains it except, I would argue, for the British Isles bit (xpost)

Hey, we let them name the sea between the islands!

Then filled it full of nuclear waste! Or something.

Yes but you got the English Channel (xp)

Let's just call it all "Li'l Canada!"

incl. exclamation point

http://www.beckysweb.co.uk/images/venn.gif

So Northern Ireland, the England/Scotland/Wales landmass, and all the er Western Isles are the United Kingdom, officially; the term "Great Britian" has no official significance; and the southern 5/6ths of the island of Ireland is a sovereign state (are "state" and "nation" interchangeable here?)...?

That sounds about right to me, yes.

We cna also rename Canada as "Grampa (sic) Britain" so that you don't feel like you need to identify as similar to us beer-swigging 'nucks.

stupid square brackets on sic :(

Yes. I thought everyone knew that! "the England/Scotland/Wales landmass, and all the er Western Isles etc" IS Great Britain!

No, sorry" "the England/Scotland/Wales landmass" IS Great Britain!

Add Western Isles etc = British Isles

So Ireland just got a free pass not to be? Because they're the only conquered people ever? I mean, not that I disagree but it seems a relatively arbitrary distinction.

Not to be what?

Not to be part of Great Britain.

Or the United Kingdom, for that matter?

wikipedia: Politically, "Great Britain" describes the combination of England, Scotland, and Wales. It also includes the former Celtic nation of Cornwall, and a number of outlying islands such as the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, the Isles of Scilly, the Hebrides, and the island groups of Orkney and Shetland, but does not include the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.

Great Britain is an island (Scotland/ England etc). Ireland is another island!

GB (geographical) = teh one big island, GB (political) = that and all the other little islands. Says wikipedia.

"British Isles" is an Americanism that will never, ever cross over into the UK

right, xp

Can anyone suggest who to refer to the archipelago just above France without using the term British isles?

how even.

Ahahahh THEY ARE ALL ISLANDS WTF.

I always thought it was a geographical term , Great Britain is the greatest (in size) of the British Isles, which is why it's irritating when right wing twats go on about "Making Britain Great again!"... you mean it's shrunk or something?

Goddamnit L'il Canada! is the answer, I am telling y'all.

ireland is not part of anything with britain or kingdom in it.
i can understand it might not be part of anything with british in it.
but it has to be part of something with isles in it. "these isles" sounds crap. "the isles" is better, but still a bit rub.

So Ireland just got a free pass not to be? Because they're the only conquered people ever? I mean, not that I disagree but it seems a relatively arbitrary distinction.

-- Laurel, Friday, June 29, 2007 10:54 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

waaaaaaaaay more complex than that. but yeah basically there was a strong movement for irish independence ('home rule') and it was backed by the liberals in england from about the mid-19th century. but this process foundered when the irish vote became decisive in parliament in about 1910 and, well, we almost had a big ol' civil war over it because large parts of northern ireland were protestant and did not want to be ruled by dublin and they were backed by the tories. and then the actual world war intervened. and then there was a civil war in ireland. and then you had the irish state and northern ireland and and and

No, The Isles doesn't work 'cos that makes me think of the Western Isles

Geog term would make far more sense, but if all the West. Isl. and etc are included it just becomes some kind of polite fiction, I think...? Because why NOT include the Isle of Man when it's far closer in size to, say, Arran (which DOES get included) than it is to Ireland.

Or is Isl of Man another national identity thing? I KNOW: PLACES WITH THEIR OWN BREED OF CATS GET TO BE SOVERIGN, PROBLEM SOLVED.

let's call them "Iceland, Jr."

"you want that i" vs "do you want me to"

i love this construction, fav: "you want i should" but i wasn't sure if it was just old NY gangster movie talk. out of bounds for a californian in any case. Has "twat" crossed over into the US?

The Isle of Man has its own legislature that's why it's not included politically

The Leprechauckney Islands

Ditto the Channel Islands (xp)

I always thought it was a geographical term , Great Britain is the greatest (in size) of the British Isles, which is why it's irritating when right wing twats go on about "Making Britain Great again!"... you mean it's shrunk or something?

-- Tom D., Friday, June 29, 2007 10:59 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

i thought: britain is wales, england, scotland; and 'great britain' was that plus all the other bollocks. but that's probably wrong.

isle of man is a crown dependency, not part of the union.

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