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BLAME IT ON THE RAIN

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

gut reaction: i didnt think it was racist. i just thought it was ronaldinho.

considered reaction, after discussion: yea ok, not so simple as that

the divide here between brits and americans is striking. the obvious conclusion is that the 'cultural difference' at play here, shows...subconscious...unconsidered...racism prevalent in british people, that has been...worked out more in americans?

or...on the other hand...are the brits trying to defend their original position, rather than their considered opinion

― 600, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

...how do you define what 'looks like hateful iconography'? besides, a bottle-opener has to be shaped a certain way for it to function as a bottle-opener.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Moving on the floor now babe youre a bird of paradise
Cherry ice cream smile I suppose its very nice
With a step to your left and a flick to the right
You catch the mirror way out west
You know youre something special and you look like youre the best.

Her name is rio and she dances on the sand
Just like that river twisting through a dustly land
And when she shines she really shows you all she can
Oh rio rio dancer across the rio grande

Ive seen you on the beach and Ive seen you on tv
Two of a billion stars, it means so much to me -
Like a birthday or a pretty view
But then Im sure that you know its just for you.

Her name is rio and she dances on the sand
Just like that river twisting through a dustly land
And when she shines she really shows you all she can
Oh rio rio dancer across the rio grande

Hey now (wow), look at that.
Did he nearly run you down?
At the end of the drive, the lawmen arrive,
You make me feel alive, alive, alive
Ill take my chance, cause luck is on my side
I tell you something, I know what youre thinking
I tell you something, I know what youre thinking

Her name is rio and she dances on the sand
Just like that river twisting through a dustly land
And when she shines she really shows you all she can
Oh rio rio dancer across the rio grande

Her name is rio and she dont need to understand
And I might find her it Im looking like I can
Oh rio rio hear them shout across the land
From mountains in the north down to the rio grande

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ah man, I knew it was my fault . . .

I don't see racial issues first != I don't see racial issues ever. It's just that in this instance, that wasn't the first thing to enter my mind. Maybe it should have, I dunno.

(if it'll make it any better, I've got massive unsightly stereotypical English teeth . . . *ducks*)

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

you know, a lot of the people giving Louis stick need to take a looksee in the mirror. if you stare long into the abyss, etc.

Roberto Spiralli on Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:21 PM (4 seconds ago)

When I look in the mirror I see

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― Mr. Que, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

a bottle-opener has to be shaped a certain way for it to function as a bottle-opener.

ahahaha, okay this is my favorite argument on the thread! I'm sold.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

or...on the other hand...are the brits trying to defend their original position, rather than their considered opinion

600 on Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:21 PM (31 seconds ago)

DO THE REASONABLE BRITISH PEOPLE JUST SLEEP THE FUCK IN OR WHAT

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

besides, a bottle-opener has to be shaped a certain way for it to function as a bottle-opener.

Here's an idea -- don't make a Ronaldinho bottle-opener!

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Johnny B, I think you are diving in front of a lot of bullets that weren't aimed at you.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Also I kind of want to see that picture!

Okay but YOU ASKED FOR IT

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

LOUIS THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN (WHITE) BRITISHERS PURCHASING BOTTLE-OPENING CARICATURE KNICK-KNACKS THAT CAN BE PLACED EASILY INTO A CONTEXT OF 'AFFECTIONATE' RACIST ICONOGRAPHY AND BRAZILIANS PAINTING CARICATURES OF NATIONAL ICONS ON WALLS

― max, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

miami style

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

wait matt what oh my god what my eyes

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

where is ss guys shaving newspaper cat jpg

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

WTF OMG WOW WTF

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

technically it's a sippy cup, not a baby's bottle. I don't really know what else to say.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

...how do you define what 'looks like hateful iconography'? besides, a bottle-opener has to be shaped a certain way for it to function as a bottle-opener.

Fine. But I'm not trying to define the best way to make a fucking bottle-opener. I'm explaining why one image seems distasteful while another is not. Yes, you actually have to think harder than: "b-b-b-but this caricature of a black person has big teeth too!" Just some awareness of--some openness to the effects of--history, even if it's (God forbid) someone else's history, is required.

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

biggulp.jpg

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

MATT DC HAS THROROUGHLY PWNED EVERY ARGUMENT ON THIS THREAD, WOW

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

fucking spaniards

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

WHATEVER, ASSHOLES, SIPPY CUPS HAVE TO BE SHAPED A CERTAIN WAY!

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, I'VE COME ON ENOUGH TO NOT EVEN NOTICE WHAT COLOR A COCK IS

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

that is not a bottle for actual babies, surely? but for big fat hairy homos who dress up in diapers, right?

― kenan, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

technically it's a sippy cup, not a baby's bottle. I don't really know what else to say.

What more IS there to say???

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i think we're all pretty much done here

― gff, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

kenan the image you just put in my head is way more disturbing than the sippy cup

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6987/yaaaaowkm9.png

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit matt!

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

(WHITE) BRITISHERS PURCHASING BOTTLE-OPENING CARICATURE KNICK-KNACKS

How do you know it was purchased by white Britishers? It could be another Brazilian-made piece of iconic memorabilia for all we know.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

NICKALICIOUS OTM

― ghost rider, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Without xpost notifications I think yaaaoowww.jpg is getting better results that I intended.

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Spain + race = wtf. This much is known to football fans.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

man i'm just glad yaaaaow.png is back

― pretzel walrus, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

or...on the other hand...are the brits trying to defend their original position, rather than their considered opinion

My considered opinion was what I posted in response to Nabisco (albeit 2342423 xposts later). I can see why people would make the connection to the offensive images that and what has kindly posted from his collection but I questioned that there was ever any intent to offend in that way. I also accept that lack of intention doesn't = lack of offense.

I reserve the right to laugh at Ronaldinho if I like and if anyone thinks that makes me racist they can kiss my black balls.

― onimo, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

dude, Brazilians can be racist, too! this isn't about laying blame, its just about calling it like it is!

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

What more IS there to say???

You can't see it in the photo but the slogan on the sides translates as 'once you've had black you'll never go back'.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

now, if that was specifically modelled on the penis of a black man famous throught the world for having a big cock and marketed as such, i wouldn't consider it racist. just really, really inappropriate.

― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

do you remember the 'boy' thread? where a british black kid was called boy, and there was cultural gulf over whether that was racist. i thought that was culturally imperialistic, to apply US standards to a non-US country, where to use that phrasing in britain isn't racist.

can we argue that the same is true of the ronaldinho figure? given the past history is gollywogs etc, im much less inclined to get behind that position, than i would be over the term 'boy'

or in other words, is the imagery and iconography of such figures a US thing, or are the racist caricatures commonplace in british history also? given the gollywogs, they probably are?

― 600, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

louis can i ask you what the fuck difference would it make if the thing was made in brazil? newsflash: BRAZIL, TOO, IS A MULTIRACIAL COUNTRY. "BRAZILIAN" IS NOT A RACE.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOW.PNG HERE

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

(Apparently)

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think racist iconography belongs to any one nation, no.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Gareth you could argue that Gollywogs and similar imagery have been pretty much stamped out in this country. Do you see them anywhere any more? Do you still see the equivalent images much in the US?

Obviously I'm not saying the US is de facto more racist than the UK, but perhaps that UK racism manifests itself in different ways so that images like this don't seem quite as potent?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

or in other words, is the imagery and iconography of such figures a US thing, or are the racist caricatures commonplace in british history also? given the gollywogs, they probably are?

Known in the UK, but not commonplace enough for it to be the first thing Britons think of, hence this thread.

― caek, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

look, I'll ACCEPT that you can see the bottle-opener as being SIMILAR to racist caricature, but my point is that it was clearly not DESIGNED to act as such. you've made me (along with a bit of help from myself in unsuccessfully trying to express my views clearly) seem like a complete tit on a thread which ought to have been of little consequence. and now i'm feeling the shame. it fucking stings.

― unfished business, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Depending on where you are, you can still easily find lawn jockeys (hi dere non-metropolitan US).

― HI DERE, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

I HAS A NEW USER NAME

― i would just like to point out that i have been otm on this thread, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

agreed. you could make the argument that britain is more racist because it hasnt worked through issues and is still insensitive to them, you could make thte argument it is less racist because it has forgotten about them

im sure both positions are right, in different ways, to different people

― 600, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

WTF IS A "SIPPY CUP" U FUCKEN SICK YANKS

― Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

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