TS: SHOWGIRLS vs. ROAD HOUSE

not out till the spring :/

But if you're in Toronto on March 14...

http://tiff.net/filmsandschedules/tiffbelllightbox/2014/2550013121

i'm going

I should throw on my DVD at the same time in solidarity.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/04/its-still-ok-to-hate-em-showgirls-em/360644/

Nayman talks a good bit about Susan Sontag's theories of camp, as well as about what might be called pop understanding of camp. His discussion centers, again, on intentionality as it relates to quality, summarized by Sontag in her quip, "it's good because it's awful." For Sontag, Nayman argues, the essence of camp is the fact that it is unintentionally dreadful, and therefore wonderful—it's camp as outsider art. Nayman adds, correctly I think, that in many pop discussions of camp, that dynamic is reversed— something is campy, and therefore good, if it recognizes and revels in its own awfulness.

i like berlatsky a lot but showgirls doesn't suck, it's incredible

Road House was released 25 years ago today.

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Church/status/468436907173875712

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoA44nlIYAAkfAP.jpg

http://i.giphy.com/UaMZmlXSUAvYs.gif

^

i just skimmed a gajillion 'contrarian' takes on showgirls (ACTUALLY, ) and it's kind of amazing how many of them seem to disdain things that aren't even bad really ... like everyone feels the need to acknowledge how 'awful' certain aspects of it are ...

Now that I've finally seen showgirls I can appreciate all the gifs!

what did you think? bad, good-bad, or just straight up sensational?

Me or enbb? I think its perfect

I saw part of a trailer for that 50 Shades of Grey movie and realized the only director they should have considered is Verhoeven

i like berlatsky a lot but showgirls doesn't suck, it's incredible

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:15 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, that's why i think this comparison is kinda wrong. showgirls is a legitimately good movie. road house isn't (though it is legitimately enjoyable).

Yeah, this should really be like Showgirls vs. Mommie Dearest or something.

Masterpiece against masterpiece.

a tourbus full of showgirls breaks down in a small sleepy town; these tough young ladies end up patronizing the local bar, where one of them discovers that she and the taciturn bouncer share a sordid past that could leave them both dead

music by Brad Paisley

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, April 26, 2013 2:15 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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this is a totally new cast

starring Mark Wahlberg, Maria Menounos, Emma Stone, Hayden Panettiere, Minka Kelly, Kaley Cuoco, Jamie Chung, Brad Paisley, LL Cool J, Scott Caan, Dermot Mulroney, Dylan McDermott and Aasif Mandvi

― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, April 26, 2013 2:20 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm a genius IMO

only substitute Channing Tatum for Mark Walhberg and Allie Grant for Maria Menounos

road house is more watchable and entertaining than show girls

saith jacques rivette,

Starship Troopers (Paul Verhoeven, 1997)

I’ve seen it twice and I like it a lot, but I prefer Showgirls (1995), one of the great American films of the last few years. It’s Verhoeven’s best American film and his most personal. In Starship Troopers, he uses various effects to help everything go down smoothly, but he’s totally exposed in Showgirls. It’s the American film that’s closest to his Dutch work. It has great sincerity, and the script is very honest, guileless. It’s so obvious that it was written by Verhoeven himself rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing. And that actress is amazing! Like every Verhoeven film, it’s very unpleasant: it’s about surviving in a world populated by assholes, and that’s his philosophy. Of all the recent American films that were set in Las Vegas, Showgirls was the only one that was real – take my word for it.I who have never set foot in the place!

Masterpiece against masterpiece.

yeah, that's the general idea. even though i wouldn't call mommie dearest a masterpiece. if anything, mommie dearest would be better TS pairing with road house in that both are bad-yet-entertaining movies.

that said, to me showgirls delivers what others (definitely NOT me) claim they see in Douglas Sirk's films -- namely, over-the-top spectacle that undermines its purported story -- though it's a good bit drier (in a good way!) than any Sirk movie i've ever seen.

lol I was talking w/Stevie about Basic Instinct and how Eszterhas really writes these garbage ott scripts that Verhoeven crafts into cinematic gold

That Eszterhas ebook about his interactions with Mel Gibson is amazing in that it reveals lots of personality quirks of the writer and the subject, along with making the point that his nonfiction writing is ridiculous and random

lol damn jacques

rather than Mr. Eszterhas, who is nothing

i watched the first 27 min of roadhouse today and i can't believe i lived without it this long
john doe is the bartender?!
gah
i can't wait to watch the rest

!!!

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/9/9/9285575/ronda-rousey-to-star-in-remake-of-1980s-cult-classic-road-house

It's like rolling both movies in one!

(Sorry. I don't really believe that for the record.)

Annnnnd a Paul Verhoeven interview. Happy 20th.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/showgirls-paul-verhoeven-on-the-greatest-stripper-movie-ever-made-20150922

why did they interview him about Magic Mike XXL?

Pump and thrust

As for the finished product: I thought it was perfect. Otherwise I would have changed it.

<3 <3 <3

just bought this on blu-ray, it's still so great

everything in this interview shd go w/o saying but this is a great primer for ppl who still don't ~get~ this movie

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/showgirls-paul-verhoeven-on-the-greatest-stripper-movie-ever-made-20150922

i get it. you can have it.

I need to watch all Verhoevens films again. He's my god. Well, after Haneke.

i've been doing that myself in preparation for a thing i'm writing that may or may not ever get finished. anyway i've basically liked-to-loved everything except spetters

Verhoeven >>> Haneke (who I like very much)

Are you going chronologically, brad? Turkish Delight is special.

i'm glad he finally made a really good film last year

quiet morbs

anyway i did not go chronologically. i watched all of his american films and then made my way backwards and forwards with his dutch films. turkish delight was fun but also felt very light to me, so i don't really love it. the fourth man is fucking amazing however

oh, morbs, does that mean you don't like black book?

bc if so you're full of nonsense

I do. That and RoboCop, Total Recall are good as far as they go.

Turkish Delight is insane but in increasingly suspect ways as it hurtles toward death.

that's my problem with spetters

gonna steal that phraae for my gravestone xp

well yes my sundry opinions can be found in the general Verhoeven thread, after the retro a few months ago

my central problem w/ Showgirls is it's juvenile, and not in a way that personally appeals to me (ie not THAT gay)

movie is great altho the rape scene of the non-character is ...not doing what it thinks it is