immigrant & ethnic food cultures, white ppl & appropriation, foodies

Deems have you ever thought about opening a Chinese-Irish fusion restaurant. Let's do it. But in all descriptions it's imperative that the 'Chinese' come in front of the 'Irish' part. What part of Dublin would be best do you think

Minneapolis had good Vietnamese food 20 years before most places in Europe (and arguably America, including the West Coast).

Why I'll be sure to pass that RIGHT along to a lot of folks right here in OC, about ten minutes up the 405.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Saigon#Orange_County

I mean I don't work in a library that has this here or anything

http://seaa.lib.uci.edu/

when I was in ireland I went to a mexican restaurant with a picture of africa in the front that had potato nachos

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so it wasn't even a peculiar child's palate thing? you wouldn't be at all tempted by an authentic home-made one now?

Also not irrelevant (and the book she wrote is a great one)

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/mar/29/food/fo-viet29

Hell no. I mean I liked cold cut sandwiches as a kid and I still do now. A really good italian hoagie is incredible

But no I would not be tempted by a double meat both sides mayo iceberg lettuce wonderbread sandwich. No way

Peanut butter and bacon sandwich (bread toasted, always) was a thing in my family. Also fried bologne sandwiches with mayo.

xposts Have told the story of '70s arrival of Vietnamese and Hmong communities in MN a number of times, which takes about the same effort to check as it does to pull up a tres amusant JPG to deploy in telling me I must be wrong. ~sigh~ A quick Google just showed me there are at last Hmong restaurants in the Twin Cities - the lateness of which makes sense because the Hmong have found integration a bit more difficult to manage than the Vietnamese did.

In London, I'm a short walk from Chilli Cool so I don't think I've eaten much in other Chinese restaurants since I started going there.

My Proustian childhood sandwich is either deli bologna with French's mustard on heavily buttered egg twist/cholla bread (an especially bitey sandwich) or Pillsbury crescent rolls stuffed with a hot dog and melted Kraft slices, then baked. My mom bought our bread from bakeries; Wonder and its ilk were banned. Would still eat both, or switch the bologna for ham. My dad ate peanut butter and mayonnaise sandwiches, which has to be the most repulsive combo in the world.

The Vietnamese population (I'm not talking Laotians or Cambodians, but strictly Vietnamese) is pretty insubstantial in MPS compared to the rest of the country*.

*Concentrations of Vietnamese-born population of the USA:
http://i.imgur.com/1ArxEK7.png

Of the 231,000 Vietnamese population in the USA in 1980, less than 3% lived in the state of MN, with over 50% living in CA. (Apparently the USA census states there were 0 Vietnamese people living in the USA prior to 1970.)

Why anyone would think that the Minneapolis was privy to better Vietnamese food 20 years prior to anywhere else in America or Europe (like Pho Banh Cuon 14 in Paris which will be 100 years old next year) is beyond me.

fancy azn places to eat in ny that aren't freaky appropriation-fests:

danji, red farm, mission chinese (tho yeah i know about the temp shutdown by the health dept, ick).

appropriation-ish azn fusion that's still tasty:

fatty crab.

other suggestions?

I've been meaning to check out red farm for a while

(oh add salt&fat to the first list)

I've heard Yunnan Garden is okay but requires a more 'sensitive' and 'delicate' palate

(first list should be fancy + fusiony, actually.)

There's a new place by the owners of Nom Wah that just opened

http://fungtu.com/

Might go tonight

the fusion-y stuff in jc is mainly pan-asian yich owned mainly by one family i think. its not westernized-fusion as such, but just like 'a little meh sushi, some meh chinese, some meh thai, all from the same storefront'.

White people will eat anything. What pigs

Just kidding white people. I love you all and your peanut butter and jelly sandwiches!

inedible sweet glazes with sliced up bell peppers and mango

we put cream cheese in a wonton wrapper and fried it guys.

no complaints here

There's a new place by the owners of Nom Wah that just opened

http://fungtu.com/

Might go tonight

― 乒乓, Monday, November 25, 2013 12:02 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Robert Sietsema ‏@robertsietsema 2h From Fung Tu: Sichuan pork sauce with "dumpling knots" (really spaetzle), Chinese-German fusion pic.twitter.com/iNX9rvQGkb

Theres decent chinese places, as such things are judged locally anyway, along parnell st, i bleev i gmapped it for you before tbh.

Irish foods i would recommend for appropriation, idk, idk. Generics like stew you cant claim, one pot bacon and cabbage prob fair fare, the trad fryup obv but the brits have that.

Pot still whiskey and carrageen it is i guess.

there's a couple of fancy korean places, Jungsik in Tribeca and Gaonnuri on the 39th floor of building on Broadway

Ned, I used to say I'd never go back to Orange County, but now I'd like to visit the old neighborhoods (Stanton, Westminster, Garden Grove) and see what's changed since 1975.

Irish colleague from my days in NYC said Dublin Chinese food of the '80s used Ould Sod-level amounts of cabbage, carrot and potato in the food (and that it was gross).

I ate a lot of Irish Chinese food from the late 80s on and never encountered potato. Homely quantities of onion/carrots in every dish, sure.

I ate Chinese in the 80s, in Dublin, and it was p much yr standard UK/Ireland dishes, sweet and sour, duck cantonese, beef black bean sauce etc.

I ate chinese food in dublin last month and it was not that thing u all said

Question for the asian people:

Does a restaurant with intra-asian (eastern?) appropriation raise any wary concerns where you might feel otherwise disinterested if it was a western chef?

I know Mission Chinese was mentioned upthread, which is the product of a Korean chef who was worked in fusion-y sushi bars and mediocre Italian restaurants before he became hyped a few years ago once he "pimped-out" (tm Vice Magazine) Chinese Food.

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Up to 2000-ish there were only a couple of not-100%-Westernised Chinese restaurants (Good World/Millenium/Imperial iirc); pretty sure the landscape has changed dramatically since then, though I haven't been to any of the Parnell St. places.

there's a couple of fancy korean places, Jungsik in Tribeca and Gaonnuri on the 39th floor of building on Broadway

― mizzell, Monday, November 25, 2013 12:14 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

Gaonnuri is amazing and fucking ace. You think you're paying big bucks for the view but no it's the food

Danny Bowien (Mission Chinese) is an interesting case, since he was adopted by white parents in Oklahoma so I assume he didn't grow up learning much about Korean food.

my running annoyance is that there are a ton of pan-asian restaurants with little to no korean dishes run by korean families

I want korean food, authenticity level be damned!

Yeah Danny Bowien is an example of a guy who does it right

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/dining/danny-bowiens-mission-cantina-opens-soon.html?_r=0

Ned, I used to say I'd never go back to Orange County, but now I'd like to visit the old neighborhoods (Stanton, Westminster, Garden Grove) and see what's changed since 1975.

Stanton...is Stanton. The other two spots, that's something else.

we put cream cheese in a wonton wrapper and fried it guys

Yes, yes we did. You're welcome.

Love,
The Midwest

dont want to read this thread but is the 'asian restaurant with ACTUAL asian people eating there' thing racist or not?

i feel like well-meaning white racists i know say this all the time as a way of describing good 'ethnic' food places

Not nec racist but you should go to a place because the food is good not because asian people eat there

There are plenty of terrible places where chinese people eat at

For example, chinese buffets

I do encourage all white ppl to try and discover more places actual Asians (tm) eat at

The food there is often very good

last time i was in nyc i got the whole sichuan so real even immigrants eat it thing idk, put me off a bit, dont want yr cultural tourism jr associates &c

New York has some pretty dope Sichuan

But you probably wouldn't want to eat it with one of those guys

My friend has done some favors for a Chinese coworker and has been taken out to lunch, thinking they'll go somewhere interesting and it's been a Chinese buffet a couple times. hehe

Although on one excursion they went by some industrial building where these young dudes were trying to out together a tofu factory. The actual businessman with know-how wasn't able to stick around and the whole situation turned into some comedic tragedy. I really need to find the right thread to detail that one....

my uni has a lot of asian students & so a lot of asian restaurants & many of these asian restaurants serve p much entirely asian clientele. with long lines. & it's not like these are out of the way or expensive or serve particularly weird food. the food's fantastic. & asian students recommend these places to me & other non-asians. just don't get it.

tonight I'll go appropriate some huaraches at a place where there will be no gringos & again, this is not an out of the way place, and huaraches aren't weird: fried dough with meat and cheese.

none of these places are fancy & I do hear white people say that they're "dirty", which I guess says it all

For example, chinese buffets

But the value per pound is so delicious.

My friend has done some favors for a Chinese coworker and has been taken out to lunch, thinking they'll go somewhere interesting and it's been a Chinese buffet a couple times. hehe

This is such a classic Chinese person move. My parents have done it and have had it done to them. It's so bad

Like we'll have friends over and cook them a really nice big meal. So the next time we go visit them and by courtesy they're supposed to treat us. What happens is we get taken out to the Chinese buffet

Thus when they come over next we'll take them out to our local Chinese buffet. Except it'll be called something like International Hibachi Teriyaki Grill but it's always run by Chinese people. Like 99% of sushi restaurants outside of NYC and LA