American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

At least it wasn't Crate & Barrel?

it's funny when a conservative think tanker chooses 'ikea' as her example of a 'franchise' and the 'new yorker' reports it verbatim

At the annual meeting, which took place in Oklahoma City this past September 24th through 27th, Sharp explained what she called The IKEA Model. She said that it starts with what she described as a “catalogue” showing “what success would look like.” Instead of pictures of furniture arranged in rooms, she said, S.P.N.’s catalogue displays visions of state policy projects that align with the group’s agenda. That agenda includes opposing President Obama’s health-care program and climate-change regulations, reducing union protections and minimum wages, cutting taxes and business regulations, tightening voting restrictions, and privatizing education. “The success we show is you guys,” she told the assembled state members. “Here’s how we win in your state.”

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hey, if they want to design their think tanks after the ninth circle of hell, why not *wipes Malm dresser*

"For example, you're looking for a Zipcar to drive to IKEA, but it's parked in some bad neighborhood next to a White Castle, right? That's Obamacare."

it's funny that when taxes are at historic lows and a black man is president, a bunch of old white dudes will play founding fathers dress-up and demand action on the streets and embarrass their children, but when the republican party essentially privatizes the legislative branch by outsourcing policymaking and billwriting to organizations like ALEC and SPN, the pointy triangle hats gather dust in the closet, nah, everything's cool, we're ok with it

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this

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/within-cheney-family-a-dispute-over-gay-marriage/?smid=tw-share

to be really real, fuck all the cheneys afaic. but it must be something terrible to have your own sister going on tv devaluing your very existence -- at least her own father, who remember literally does not even have a fully-functioning heart -- publicly supports her relationship (though it looks like it's not stopping him from endorsing liz, obv). one is sort of surprised cheney's old buddy rove didn't play winston wolff and make sure all this never happened, but then again maybe rove wasn't too fond of the idea of a primary challenge in the first place

wow i knew you guys were young but if you actually think we're just now privatizing legislating wow

letting industries write regulatory bills is a venerable tradition

ditto to fuck all the cheneys but that whole situation reads a bit staged to me, liz cheney's dropped huge in the polls the past few months and literally the only thing to point at as a possible cause has been a series of ads they've been running accusing her of being soft on gay marriage. she's been anti-gay marriage in her platform from day one but enough ppl either haven't known or haven't bought it, regardless of an awkward xmas this whole episode does serve to establish her bigot bonafides.

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wow well duh but i wasn't aware that there was an organization before ALEC that was as wellfunded and influential and doing it across the country in a coordinated fashion. if there was i'd sincerely like to know because there are over 5 trillion topics to discuss on this terrible planet and sadly i'm not an expert on this one like balls wow. also what i said had nothing to do with whether it existed up until this point, but rather that it's annoying that tea party patriots don't get all up in arms about stuff like that when you'd think it would offend their love for the status quo of the late 18th century wow

o wow another thing you're clueless about keep em coming

o wow keep the attacks coming

privatizing legislating pretty close to late 18th century status quo btw.

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liz cheney's a bigot? i mean o wow

wow can me make it a rule that every post on this thread has to be bookended with the word "wow" wow

whoah

WoW partisan ^ xp

o wow tell me more about the word wow cause like i totally dont know wow

waiting for qualmsey to tie ikea into one of his secondhand conspiracy theories. swedish meatballs did 9/11 wow.

ʍoʍ maybe we should take a page from Spanish syntax wow

¡o wow!

waiting for balls to dismiss another misread 'new yorker' article

oh wow
such politics
alec so smart
lies

condescension with subpar reading comprehension skills to boot o wow

WoW partisan ^ xp

wow fyi this got a hearty chuckle from me wow

wow

wow i misread some blogpost that blew yr mind who gives a fuck you sound like yr mom when you cry wow

http://i.imgur.com/eIYquGO.jpg

i'm not the one who got my facts wrong in my uncalled for dismissal o wow i'm so hurt o wow

balls - not giving a fuck since 2007

balls -- just stalking politics

lol 2007?

A search on user name balls, all boards, showing the oldest first, did pull up a single post from 2001:

balls wrote this on thread Pop-Eye Extra: OBEs for Atomic Kitten? on board I Love Music on Feb 12, 2001

No, you were right the first time, it IS about by distaste for those bands. They're rubbish.

But all the other posts shown prior to 2007 had usernames that only incorporated the word "balls", such as "monkey balls" or "MR BEEG BALLS".

The first post-2001 result for username "balls" was on thread Someone's O has go to GO: The NE@DAL 5-0 week 6 thred on board I Love NFL on Oct 12, 2007:

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he had other user names and/or didnt give a fuck before posting to ilxor.com

balls, to set the record straight, what year would you consider was the year you first started not giving a fuck on ilx?

wow pre-9/11 balls

2002

anyway, can anyone recommend good reading on the history of privatization of legislating (model policies/draft legislation)? specifically when it started to become more organized? i understand that it's all common knowledge that's beamed into infant brains, but my feeble googling has not led me to anything that's helped me to understand the antecedents to ALEC. i mean i get that industry plays a strong role in crafting legislation, duh, but i'm talking about organizations.

**ahem**

balls - proudly not giving a fuck since 2002

lobbyists often write legislation, dont really know the specifics, saw it in a michael moore film

totally gave a fuck as a lurker briefly in late 2001. passionate times man. first strokes album, not another teen movie. heady days.

*removes bookmark*

Z S this goes all the way back to early september so it's old news to the ball lagoons but you might be interested

http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

o wow why are you lumping me in im totally innocent

no one is innocent

wow just wow

http://www.eatthecorn.com/dossiers/pics/influences/jfk_2.jpg

"The first post-2001 result for username "balls" was on thread Someone's O has go to GO: The NE@DAL 5-0 week 6 thred on board I Love NFL on Oct 12, 2007:

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I've been banging on about ALEC barging its way into British politics on some other threads, but an American could be forgiven for not going there...

i'm afraid of americans
and balls

haven't really found a pre-ALEC organization that's comparable. i suppose there's the National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), which was founded in 1975 (2 years after ALEC), but all state legislators are automatically members of NCSL, so it's not a partisan group, or funded by corps. then of course there's the US chamber of commerce - but do they actually draft legislation, and push it at the state level? presumably their lobbyists see national legislation in progress and grimly nods Yea or Nay while tapping a baseball bat against their hand, but it seems more insidious to actually provide the model legislation and then distribute it across the country to GOP-controlled state legislatures.