everybody on ilx complains about reddit

i judge people strictly on their: vertical leap, gpa

cardamon, do you believe that participation in the MRA movement contributes to rape in the western world?

Dunno.

If I was going to assert that as a definite, I'd want to look at worthwhile research.

its def firmly aligned w rape culture

xp I think it definitely contributes to people being hostile towards rape victims both online and off-line, and perhaps that culture could contribute to higher instances of rape or lower instances of conviction for rapists?

If that ^ reddit comment I linked is not someone faking, you definitely have someone who endorses rape culture right there

MRA is 100% bullshit and has nothing of value to offer anyone.

Adam, yeah, I've seen nothing in it for me. I've got time for some of the people who might see something in it, or be drawn to it. As with every set of ideas though

that does appear to be the consensus adam_b - surely if we're going to discuss MRA tho there's something more we can bring to the conversation than mere opprobrium?

i've defended some elements of the men's movement (partic. robert bly) on ilx before but rarely get takers. reddit MRA is kinda the abhorrent vulgar personification of a group of disparate ideas that may have more or less merit ime.

I wonder if there's a way to have a sophisticated conversation about "men's issues" that is not dismissive.

I'd hope so and would be a 'taker' (for you, Mordy)

i dont think the mens movement and the mens rights movement are the same thing tho

I mean, guy loses kids in custody battle because someone at some point in the process makes an assumption that the mother's would be the better home, when that isn't the case: in that specific scenario, guy has a grievance

But I wonder how often this actually happens, again something I'd want to look at the numbers for

Ok yeah i hadn't heard of Robert Bly before. And yes that was a dumb statement to make. Is Bly really a MRA guy? He looks pretty interesting but yeah totally different than reddit-style stuff.

weeeeeeeeeew

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1qb7mi/she_doesnt_love_you/cdbgxw3

What do you make of the oft repeated claim that men are over represented in dangerous employment and the military? Legit or just whining?

Over-represented in most authority positions.

I dunno, don't the military and dangerous employment (security/construction/machines) have a history of being resistant to letting women in?

I wd broadly agree with the idea that when feminism (or any identity politics) loses contact with class (and general economic) awareness, we have a problem, that might be relevant

u guys shd start a thread for this im not joking

sucks how men are so overrepresented in stressful positions of power and authority :(

this is for making fun of fedoras

If for example feminism was saying that women have it difficult and men have it easy, that wd ignore unemployed men, male victims of war, male victims of poverty. Obviously. But I don't think feminism is saying this, it's usually saying that men have it less difficult than women do, not that they have it easy.

srsly stop

i don't really care about MRA movement except that if this is the only thread that's going to be bumped on this sleepy friday than we might as well talk about something that might be controversial.

like how many days in a row can we complain about fedoras? don't u guys get bored???

i dont think the mens movement and the mens rights movement are the same thing tho

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bly is not an mra

the "rights" part of mra is the really objectionable bit. it should be the MIA ("issues") movement. live fast die young bad men do it well.

Dunno bout controversial, but I found this very interesting:

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1qfzkg/i_have_just_been_recruited_as_a_japanese_kamikaze/

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md7ft6hOkw1rkftmno1_1280.jpg

what a pussy

That dude never saw any popular media, it seems

story of a guy who tucked it back all through jr high v sad

goodbye horses

lol palling up with MRAs sure seems a good move for a guy with gender identity and self worth issues

the "rights" part of mra is the really objectionable bit. it should be the MIA ("issues") movement.

this is a truth bomb basically

Men dont have rights they have issues

you're telling me

rights issues

deems im not sure what your feelings about reddit/mra/whatever actually are, and why you feel it necessary to have feelings about them?

Have no feelings about em, as such, but as a bundle or as separate topics they seem to be the type of trigger (ever more common) for ilx smug triteness nahmsayn

I mean id consider startin an mra thread but if im honest it would be more to annoy the ppl that it would annoy than i) to discuss mra or whatever (i dont think ilx is capable any longer of an interesting discussion on this or similar grey-area/devils advocate or w/e topics without the discussion itself being attacked and ii) i drgaf either

sure it's an easy target and they will always attract rote dismissals, but there's nothing wrong with enjoying the content pplains is posting here right?

in the ongoing kneejerk liberalism vs kneejerk lib-baiting wars i feel like one hand is washing the other

God no, long may pplains mine the net for our delectation imo

i agree with Mordy that there are interesting issues raised by MRA but i feel like most of those issues are fairly easily explained and so the conv doesn't go much further than that

i mean i dunno if we wanna look at how patriarchy diminishes men too then Middlemarch was written a good long while ago i don't think the MRA guys have discoverd a new planet now i shd get this off the reddit lulz thread

mra is clearly a piece of shit though, said without knowing anything about the 'movement' beyond what pplains and others post here, but simply that for those relatively very few instances in which men suffer while an equivalent woman would not, it is illogical and grotesque to co-opt the language of minoritarian rights rather than the general right