Superhero Filmmakers: Where's Our Watchmen?

It's not a plot hole -- it's the plot!! It's precisely because Dr. Manhattan can do anything that Veidt feels he has to neutralize him; not just to get rid of his destabilizing effects on world security, but so human beings (and especially Americans) can rely on themselves and not their new God.

And Manhattan's reluctance to act is among the major moral issues of the book! It's not like it gets ignored.

Also, the creative freedom he got after leaving superheroes behind also meant that he was free to explore all the ugly right-wing macho sexist tenets of his personality, which was pretty much what made me stop caring about his work.

Abstracting the hard-boiled genre to the point of absurdity is definitely no job for a comic book.

you guys need to read one (1) run of miracleman

he's such a wonderful artist

lolz

Say what you will, the guy's got line and composition.

I really really really like Gibbons and I'll be damned if I can understand why that's lolworthy.

Oh wait, we're talking Miller. I'd defend his work too (most especially the daredevil/ronin style), but that's a whole other thread.

say whatever you want about his content, miller can draw. like oily sez, line and comp for days. pages look as good as anyone's

srsly how is this even in question?

How is what in question?

Saw this too late to sign up - http://www.futurecinema.co.uk

>you guys need to read one (1) run of miracleman

OTM. Moore's run with Veitch and Totleben is up there with his very best work. The Gaiman / Buckingham issues are excellent too.

Hahaha! I OWN one (1) run of miracleman! No, I'm not selling it.

Snap: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/film-review-watchmen-1003945726.story

"When one superhero has to take a Zen break, he does so on Mars. Of course he does."

sums up reviewer's BAD ATTITUDE imo

We pick up the relationships quickly enough, but soon realize these backstories owe more to soap operas than to superhero comics.

Haha, he hasn't read many superhero comics, has he?

get used to these reviews, i fear

variety less negative: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117939777.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

To be fair though, if you can only understand the film in the context of having read a lot of superhero comics, it's probably not a very good film.

no kidding

The thing is, these aren't so much superheroes as ordinary human beings with, let us say, comic-book martial arts prowess.

YOU MEAN LIKE BATMANG FOR CRISSAKES?

The thing is, these aren't so much superheroes as ordinary human beings with, let us say, comic-book martial arts prowess. OH YEAH, AND ONE OF EM IS GOD.

okay that first review is lolleriffic

I would be more concerned about its negative tone had several easily-verified facts been correct.

there was a bit of a The Dark Knight backlash wasn't there - despite it's monstrous commercial success. Watchmen will probably get more hate and it certainly won't make as much money. maybe not as good a film either (wasn't really interested in The Dark Knight based on trailers and what i heard, for some reason).

> If you're not already invested in these characters because of the original graphic novel by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, nothing this movie does is likely to change that predicament.

To be fair, this is about what I figured for any Watchmen movie.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3315/3308945971_1be5ba3b1f.jpg

I was talking about Sin City with my drummer the other day - we both agreed that, like 300, as a film adaptation of Miller's work its very true, and strikingly faithful. The problem is the source material is a bunch of beautifully executed crap. A quarter of the way through Sin City (after the shock of how well Miller's style had been translated to screen wore off) I remembered why I stopped reading Miller's comics sometime in the mid-90s: they suck.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3308946249_d0800ae971.jpg

nice to see that David Hyde Pierce hasn't been typecast after Frasier.

loving the fake veidt ads

http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/magazine/17-03/ff_moore_qa?currentPage=all

One thing is that with the comics medium, it has been proven—I believe by Pentagon tests in the late '80s—that comics are actually the best medium for imparting information to somebody in a form that they will retain and remember. That's not just me saying that, that's the Pentagon.

The Alan Moore/Jack Chick collaboration really needs to happen.

I was talking about Sin City with my drummer the other day

picturing this as Shakey having a drummer who follows him around everywhere

http://www.ai.mit.edu/lab/olympics/04/images/muppets-animal.jpg

I was talking about Sin City with my drummer the other day

He said Frank Miller was a sucker.

http://www.sevenoaksart.co.uk/images/teddydrummer.gif

lolz

fwiw the geek press seems to like it

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/watchmen/

"They're being bought in many cases by hopeless nostalgics or, putting the worst construction on it, perhaps cases of arrested development who are not prepared to let their childhoods go, no matter how trite the adventures of their various heroes and idols."

arrrrrrrrrrgh. I'd like to share with whoever wrote that quote one of the important pieces of life wisdom I've learned from comics:

Any conflict can be resolved with a punch to the jaw.

Are you SURE about wanting to share that, Oilyrags?

"arrrrrrrrrrgh. I'd like to share with whoever wrote that quote one of the important pieces of life wisdom I've learned from comics:"

Alan Moore's a twig. I'm sure you can take him.

Haha! Also: checking sources is for sissies.

lets not forget that watchmen is leftist propaganda (the first bad review I read here)

http://funkysouls.com/img/50_Cent_-_Guess_Whos.jpg

oilyrags is chris brown

"The real disappointment is that the film does not transport an audience to another world, as 300 did."

The Veidt guy has an awfully weak chin for a superhero.