American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

But is that still not massively better than tea party? And would you expect anything better in Virginia?

think the point is lament that a Clinton bootlicker is the best we can expect in Virginia

exactly

no mcauliffe's a special case, the worst face of clintonism i can think of (worse than rahm, worse than bowles). if it was against a more generic anodyne republican i almost wouldn't have minded if he'd lost. even then i'm not sure, i'd rather have cuccinelli as governor of virginia than as a us senator which could happen if he runs (which ppl were urging him to do) and obamacare's as toxic an issue as it was this year. he also won't have ew jackson down ticket hurting him. as it was that virginia race was like a less toxic, less charismatic of edwards vs duke. virginia governors are limited to one term only anyway.

i mean douglas wilder was better than mcauliffe, tim kaine was better than mcauliffe, mark warner was better than mcauliffe. and those guys won when virginia was a pretty solidly red state. it's the definition of a purple state now so settling for a dlc lightweight like mcauliffe wasn't the equivalent of accepting yr john barrows and heath shulers cuz blue dogs are the only dems that stand a chance in the rural south. i'm guessing the money and the possibility of clinton stumping scared off challengers but how he wasn't the number one net target for a primary is beyond me.

I get most of that, but I don't get the senator vs governor thing. Another tea party senator, big deal. But as governor, he could block implementation of ACA, and promote more restrictive voting laws. Couldn't he be doing a lot more damage as governor?

Also, according to NYT, normally Virginia votes for the opposite of who is in the White House, has done for the last 36 years, as I recall. As such, it's sort of a victory, seeing how contested Obama's policies have been.

another tea party senator (which btw there aren't really that many now but there are enough and cruz was right w/ his 'now there are only three or four of us but when there are ten or twenty of us we can really start to shrink the govt' calculation) who could sit in that for god knows how long and be a factor in the dems losing the senate next year vs the status quo in the va governor's mansion for four more years.

But then, if tea party is 'status quo' in va, isn't it good that the dems won, even though he's a scumbag?

god guys 31 PERCENT of liberals voted for Christie. Who are they? Smoke'em out.

yeah don't get me wrong i'm glad a dem won (whatever the smallest degree of gladness imaginable is, the same way i was glad the red sox won the world series), i'm just saying if it came down to cuccinelli beating mcauliffe this year or beating warner next year (which i don't actually think is likely fwiw) i'll take the former. i don't live in virginia.

how can you live where you live and be happy that an AL team won the series.

god guys 31 PERCENT of liberals voted for Christie. Who are they? Smoke'em out.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:24 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

must have been the shaq endorsement

If you introduced an average 1975 US liberal to a 2013 liberal, the former would beat the latter with a sock o' manure.

He'd probably have one on him, that's for sure.

Yes, but I'm not gonna stay home and dream up a 1975 liberal candidate.

Meanwhile ...

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/obamas_last_minute_effort_for_buono_too_little_too_late_democrats_say.html

Obama did virtually nothing for Buono throughout the election season. In fact, Obama did more for Christie's reelection bid than he did for Buono's underdog candidacy.

"And hey, thanks for coming to Asbury Park in May," wrote Blue Jersey Editor Rosi Efthim. "So cool of you. But it was kind of icky that with all the time you spent buddied up with Gov. Christie, you passed right by Senator Buono, top of our ticket in the party you lead. Didn't single her out, talk to her, even throw a word of cheer."

In May, the president visited the state to check on the rebuilding effort after Superstorm Sandy. During the visit, the president cavorted with Christie, playing boardwalk games with him and calling the Republican "Chris."

In return, Christie won the president a stuffed animal.

But as Buono sunk in the polls, hit a wall in her fundraising efforts and battled her own party to the point of near civil war, Obama declined to spend any quality time with the Democratic nominee.

Yes, but I'm not gonna stay home and dream up a 1975 liberal candidate.

well, we have a Sandinista-loving mayor of the world's most important city

virginia governors are limited to one term only anyway.

wtf. is the governor so mighty that it would be unthinkable to invest such awesome power in the hands of one person for two terms?

It's not that they're limited to one term. It's just that they can't serve consecutive terms.

Also, the official way of addressing the governor of this commonwealth is by calling him "His Excellency".

yeah sorry they can't serve two consecutive terms though nobody's grover clevelanded it in decades. i don't know why, you'd think there'd be some successful popular governor that didn't run for a senate seat and just sat out a turn. we're probably past the age when you could just run yr wife as a proxy.

heh

it goes back to Jefferson's time.

heh

http://images.politico.com/global/news/111128_bill_hillary_clinton_reuters_328.jpg

god I can't bear Bubba's expression of faux pride for another four to eight years.

yeah don't get me wrong i'm glad a dem won (whatever the smallest degree of gladness imaginable is, the same way i was glad the red sox won the world series), i'm just saying if it came down to cuccinelli beating mcauliffe this year or beating warner next year (which i don't actually think is likely fwiw) i'll take the former. i don't live in virginia.

― balls, 6. november 2013 17:50 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, I don't even live in the US, so what do I care, you know... But - and correct me if I'm wrong - wasn't Virginia one of the swing states that tried to pass new voting laws to make it go for Romney? And then, might'nt a democratic governor mean quite a lot for the next presidential election? I'm sincerely asking, I might have been mixing stuff up.

Virginia did pass new voting laws, but only after Obama won the 2nd time and they don't go into place till next year. Not sure new guv can do anything about them. As a Virginia resident I have to settle for this election result with Mcauliffe winning and I will take it. I don't think right-wing Cuccinelli can beat Mark Warner (who I also reluctantly have to settle for).

Ok, well, my bad then. Then virginia sucks, I guess...

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Joe-Biden-Dialed-The-Wrong-Guy-In-Congratulatory-4962418.php

url says it all really

Real Biden headlines vs Onion Biden headlines

Whew. Redeemed!

National Review's Robert Costa will join the Washington Post in January as a national political reporter, according to a memo.

and breitbart hires rand paul

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/country-music-stars-mock-obamacare-at-awards-show-video

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We've come a long way from when Country music was the music of the working poor and not siren call to their own self destruction. Then again the only country song I've ever heard that I thought was worth a damn was 'Hurt' which is really a Nine Inch Nails song so doesn't really count.

smh

Oh come on. They're making fun of the website not working which I think everyone agrees is a giant clusterfuck right now. Paisley is big time Obama supporter and Underwood at least supports gay marriage, if nothing else.

You could mention the context of how last night's crowd weren't exactly supporters of the president anyway, but that one cutsey exchange isn't worth getting too upset about.

I mad that someone stole my morning show parody "Obamacare by Morning" more than anything.

smh @ Maxie, I mean. the Obamacare jokes were tame.

pplains otm

soto otm re: pplains

hopefully costa will be able to maintain the access he has.

yeah that was my first thought -- i wonder if the rest of the right commentariat will turn on him

erickson and some of the breitbart maggots have thrown out 'rino' accusations in the past

Even Charles Pierce can be a moron.

fuck rednecks

I have.

If the jokes were funny I would have less of a problen with those hicks

Has anyone, erm, weighed in on Time's Christie cover?

http://media.northjersey.com/images/110713time_dngnk.jpg

Time doesn't exist

Christie is a dream candidate for Democrats

who's more electable than Christie? Jeb?