everybody on ilx complains about reddit

Maybe it's semantics but I don't think belief is really a choice.

i described myself as atheist Taoist for a while, now i will settle for "shit is complicated" i think

Don't you evaluate ppl's trustworthiness + chose to believe (or disbelieve them) all the time?

I identify as communist

lol i used to do that too, now i identify politically as "shit is complicated"

on fb my religious status is listed as amor fati

yeah i use "agnostic" as code for "atheist w/o being weird about it"

ditto

yeah mordy that's the kind of agnosticism i'm thinking of too, i think. you have the basic principle that knowledge of whether or not there's a god isn't the kind of knowledge we can have, and from there you can go towards some variety of theism or some variety of atheism or some wacky thing in between, or instead you should do what most self-proclaimed atheists should probably do and just decide it's not really a question that interests them so why bother having an opinion on it.

"agnostic" to me just gives too much credit to a belief that I'm pretty confident is astronomically less probable.

xxp that choice for agnosticism seems evidence of a weird set of projected beliefs about what atheism must necessarily be, imo

xxp you COULD do what most self-proclaimed etc etc, i mean. i don't wanna say that's necessarily the correct path.

xp: more like a not-so-weird decision to make when a big chunk of your life involves interacting with ppl in a church (who are paying you to be there)

If I lost my keys I wouldn't be agnostic about whether they sprouted legs and ran away or not.

instead you should do what most self-proclaimed atheists should probably do and just decide it's not really a question that interests them so why bother having an opinion on it.

but there are, unforch, several large reasons to bother with an opinion on it ime, growing up in a catholic country in a catholic area in a catholic family. no firebrand atheist here, but it is not simply something you're let relax with as a non-question, on any number of levels that are, as i said, unfortunately quite relevant to the way in which i'd like to live.

Don't you evaluate ppl's trustworthiness + chose to believe (or disbelieve them) all the time?

Your beliefs can change, of course, but I find my lizard brain hard to reason with logically.

fuckin djp playin the milking the believer agnostic card

now we know how he got that beemer imo

considering my community if i ever decided to no longer believe in the existence of god i'd probably just keep that shit to myself - my own private cross to bear (puns lolz)

considering my community if i ever decided to no longer believe in the existence of god i'd probably just keep that shit to myself

aka me at thanksgiving every year

Guys just convert to communism. I love being godless

I'm an apatheist, it means I don't want to talk about any of this shit

乒乓 otm

xxp you'll be looking for a god after that first dose of krokodil wears off u commie godless fuck

i can't quite settle on an appropriate tone for this thread tbh

keep at it, darragh, I have faith in you

^ should just change his dname to mmh and pretend to be my dad fulltime tbh

The lesson is we should never generalize people's beliefs.

We can also leave theology to one side whilst pointing out that in this thing that some of us call 'the atheist movement' there's a pretty deep ignorance about the history of religion.

Like, have any of these people studied the pieces of history they use to build their 'religion is bad' arguments?

people being assholes about people who were assholes

I guess that I just don't know

first they came for the assholes and i did not speak out because i was not, um, oh shit.

lol @ whoever called these sagan-worshipping reddit posters the "atheist movement". i can see the purpose of an formalized atheist movement to raise awareness and counteract shady lobbying/donations by religious organizations (mormons pushing for prop 8 for example) but these guys clearly aren't it.

they worship neil degrasse tyson. they might see him as a prophet of sagan, but it has been long since they've heard any of sagan's words.

despite the emphasis marx placed on it i don't believe godlessness is a prerequisite for an authentic communism

These nerds are one thing but the actual national atheist orgs are largely shitty as well

thread was a lot better when it was all about redditors

yeah i'm happy to make fun of certain types all day but don't want to talk actual issues that could get clusterfucky on a lulz thread.

i've got no problem with atheists (am one). otoh dawkins is a racist dick and /r/atheism is hilarious so can we take the sanctimony elsewhere.

xp to mordy - i dunno if any notable number of the world's angry atheists are trying to get rid of religion because they think authentic communism lies at the end, but i do think that there's a wrongheadedness about blaming 'religion' in general for social woes in the way that marx, as anti-religion as he was, spotted - the real problem with religion is that the current dominant practice of it is one that's completely entangled with the state. e.g. fundie christians aren't right wing morons because they're fundie christians, they're fundie christians because they're right wing morons, so tackling religion first and foremost is just pointless.

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http://dp9myinqgb4ck.cloudfront.net/04ea787250683c689916a99f9b036ffdb366b6.jpg

merdeyeux otm. freuerbach, bauer brothers, etc. all way more focused on opposing religious ideas than marx. his lineage is the break from this. e.g. "Feuerbach, consequently, does not see that the 'religious sentiment' is itself a social product, and that the abstract individual whom he analyses belongs to a particular form of society."

but back to fedoras!

my coworker is very nice and relatively young and definitely geeky and he wears a fedora and he likes it a whole bunch. its none of my business to suggest he may not want to wear it, but part of me just wants to let him know what people actually think of those damn hats and their context. and part of me fears that he found out he would feel just fuckin terrible.

and of course i'm never gonna speak to him about it.

the couple of fedora wearers i've known all believed they were totally classy individuals at the height of taste in headwear for sure.

is joey jeremiah the ur-fedora nerd? "that one kid who wears a fedora" has existed as a type since the 80s but i can't think of any other specific classical examples in popular culture from the pre-brony/ reddit atheist era.

nick twisp

i assumed marshall blechtman from square pegs was a fedora wearer but i find no evidence of this. also damone from fast times but he was a newsboy cap.

damone actually had some game tho so maybe he's doesn't fit the fedora profile. i could see mark ratner considering a fedora briefly but he got past that point where that sort of thing happens.

this is 02

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/02/02ecbs.phtml

Gwendolyn Schnurr: Wow, they said it couldn't be done! They said nerds would never rule this school! Well, Stephen Douglas has a new head of hair! And it is oillllllly!! Fro too long, the nerds of this school have been splintered - the marching band nerds, the newspaper nerds, the build-your-own-go-cart nerds! Now we can move about this school as one! But our victory is not just a victory for nerds! We would not be here today without the support of the dorks, the geeks, and, of course, the kid who wears the fedora! [ camera shows kid wearing fedora ] What more to say? what more to say? At a time like this, you just kinda want to say.. ni! Ni!

(fedora kid was fred armisen)

swear to god i just looked that up for some other reason.

is joey jeremiah the ur-fedora nerd? "that one kid who wears a fedora" has existed as a type since the 80s but i can't think of any other specific classical examples in popular culture from the pre-brony/ reddit atheist era.

Swing kids