The Shining

said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.

Masculinity iirc

yeah there's always been a sense in which those criticisms seem to fault Wendy for not turning into Linda Hamilton or something. like "i find this female character weak and annoying" therefore "this movie is misogynist." but she's totally heroic as dlh points out! just not in the action hero way.

i mean in reality like 99% of people in that situation, men or women, would find themselves weak-kneed and hysterical too. but she pulls through!

he's still capable of good stuff but Carpenter is right when he says Cronenberg's crawled up is his own ass a bit too much. (otoh Carpenter is clearly no longer capable of good stuff himself)

I would've co-signed that as of a year ago, but Cosmopolis took me by surprise. (Not that that movie offers any compelling evidence that Cronenberg is NOT up his own ass, obv, but that it's a more compelling form of self-parody than History of Violence or Eastern Promises.)

you've got to be just about the only person I've heard say they liked that movie. I haven't seen it (I'll probably get around to it at some point), but I liked his previous three well enough to varying degrees. I still laugh about Viggo's delivery of "that's a very Protestant remark".

If I got to have a 40-year directorial career, the first thing I would do is plan the expansion of my rectum so I could move in.

Cosmopolis and A Dangerous Method are DC's best 1-2 in awhile.

I don't partic find The Shining misogynist.

I'm only interested in subletting my rectum.

Cronenberg's crawled up is his own ass a bit too much.

I was about to say, sounds like a scene from one of his movies.

(if anyone makes a funnier movie about the Great Recession than Cosmopolis, lmk.)

Cosmopolis was pretty good i thought. it loses me every time in the last scene though.

I don't think The Shining is misogynist, either. Jack clearly doesn't have a particularly high opinion of women or Wendy, but he's very much the bad guy. And yeah, Wendy wins, even if she is a noodle arm with a bat.

Feels like the documentary that Vivian Kubrick shot abt the making of The Shining - where Kubrick really loses his temper w/ Shelly Duvall at one point - has bled into ppl's perception of the film, of Duvall being bullied and belittled

also: bros worshiping jack

agree
the movie itself never struck me as misogynist

also this is otm
said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.

also: bros worshiping jack

seemed like the poster of jack making the jack face through the hole in the doorway was second only to travis bickle practicing his aim when it came to dorm room movie posters (travolta and Sam Jackson in pulp fiction up there too.)

Scarface

Showed this to the girlfriend last night for the first time. Have we ever mentioned how all of Wendy Carlos' spooky music cues seemed to have been completely nicked by "Ghostbusters?"

Also, if you stream this from Amazon, you get the slightly extended version.

this movie is very cynical about fatherhood

said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.

i only just noticed for the first time that when jack is going insane, before he's actually homicidal, wendy has basically taken over all the major responsibilities for the hotel - she's working the boilers to make sure they don't all freeze to death during the storm.

isn't that like saying mommie dearest is cynical abt motherhood

Both movies are awesome at moviehood.

yes! it's notable that wendy does ALL the work in the hotel, including the work of parenting, but her work is never mentioned. jack's work - talked about so much in the movie, and the whole point of their being there - finally amounts to typing the same complaint about work over and over for pages. def intentional, def important.

i feel sorry for the assistant who actually had to type all those pages

http://www.thefoxisblack.com/2013/12/12/siri-bunford-takes-us-behind-the-scenes-of-stanley-kubricks-the-shining-in-this-clever-commercial/

Saw Room 237 the night before last - loved it. Went in kind of hoping for total crazies, came out glad that it wasn't actually like that at all (except for moon-landing hoax man). Just revelled in the micro-analysis and pattern-finding.

Also, this is great:

yes! it's notable that wendy does ALL the work in the hotel, including the work of parenting, but her work is never mentioned. jack's work - talked about so much in the movie, and the whole point of their being there - finally amounts to typing the same complaint about work over and over for pages. def intentional, def important.

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:05 PM (4 weeks ago)

OK, the conspiracy guy's thing about the carpet pattern actually made my jaw drop. It proves nothing, but damn.

Otherwise, thought that the moon stuff was actually the weakest part of the film; would have liked either him or the movie to make some kind of link between such a conspiracy and what's going on in the film thematically. The rest of the participants made much stronger arguments for their cases (though the stuff about the genocide of Native Americans was nothing new--I thought this was a fairly common and popular reading of the film).

MOON ROOM

lool that was the funniest part for me

i'm still impressed by that woman's detailed map of the hotel

Anybody read the BFI bk on The Shining yet?

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/nov/15/shining-roger-luckhurst-review

I'm saving it for a snowy day.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/the-shining-twins-attend-kubrick-screening-in-london-121249287.html

aw!

pretty reprehensible to use a national enquirer article as yr sole source for where-is-shelley-duvall-now, not that i know where shelley duvall is now

absolutely true but this photo is riveting to me
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/I.XF94HokYUNU_.ZulxuuA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http%3A//l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/movies/2014-01-29/2b3a2799-0692-47ac-bf86-2bf8904e2eac_danny-torrance-the-shining.jpg

Feel like I would be remiss if I didn't post a link to this Shining tee a local printing company released this month.

http://pizzapartyprinting.com/collections/t-shirt/products/the-shining-t-shirt

his mouth looks totally different, eyeballs the same!
weird

tbf he evicted Tony so you'd expect some changes mouth-wise

lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNicTi9FWY

hope he spent his money wisely

i love that clip so much. he has the best smile

kurbrick selfie

http://postgradproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/e73cc5a7ea318313163f465f4a8e2a43.jpg

that's cute! it's missing a hint of shelley but otherwise perfect.

is that his daughter?

Yeah, think that's Vivian, who shot the 'Making Of' docu

http://www.openculture.com/2014/01/stanley-kubricks-annotated-copy-of-stephen-kings-the-shining.html

filled with macgruber-esque insanity

oh that's rad. i like where he highlights the explanation of cabin fever and writes "this is the 1st thing the audience will worry about."

driving me crazy that i can't read the note just below that, on jack's unadapted remark about how "a stupid man is more prone to cabin fever": "[something] should say this? it seems [something something something] to say it." it seems like bad job interview technique is what it seems like.