White trick-or-treaters in blackface: C/D?

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it is on the SOUTH SIDE.

so?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

"White boy" isn't always a racial slur, but it was in that case - it was clearly meant offensively. Racial slurs can be contextual, after all - it's ok for a black person to call another one "n***a", but it would be really offensive if a white person said it. (xpost)

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

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ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

RACISTS ON TWO COUNTS!

ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

What does that have to do with the number of black students you have on your campus?

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I guess I'm saying that there are lots of people across the board who get into Chicago but go instead to an Ivy or some other equivalent, and that this may be part of the explanation for lower diversity there.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

it's ok for a black person to call another one "n***a"

OR, it's stupid and reductive, by and large.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I know when I was looking at schools it was really important for me to be some place where I could be comfortable and not just a face they stick in a brochure and trot out for alumni events. Numbers were extremely important. I went to Wes because I was pretty much happily surprised that there was a significant amount of black kids (that's since dropped over the years) at this school in West Bumblefuck, CT. The more minorities they have running around, the better it makes a school look. Hence why UC is having a shitfit over that party. It's just bad PR and only going to make their numbers worse.

xpost well, Ethan is a boy who is white and I think Dan's point was that it was "cute" he was telling a black guy how black people feel about things.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

isn't UC basically an ivy equivalent already?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

gabbneb, that's not a claim you can prove. and given that the U of C is located in the "Capital of Black America," do you think they shouldn't have a commitment to recruiting black students? i mean i'm sure you agree with me there, so i'm not sure why you're excusing the institution for its failure.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

So do you disagree that it's more likely for "n****r" to be interpreted as an insult when coming from a white person?

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

no, i don't agree with you there, and i'm explaining in part an outcome rather than excusing a potential failure

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

just to clear things up i am not down with the anon poster tryna stick up for me or fight "reverse racism" or what the fuck ever on right now, i got offended by dans accusations of my predjudice like 1000000x more than gettin called white boy or whatever, go to h.s. in SC (& put in work as a rap journalist & wash dishes at jamaican restaurants) and youll get over "white boy" reeeeal fast... so yeah shit got heated but i think its cool now and my white ass is usually more guiltier of race-baiting than dan anyway, i think most everybody gets to talkin shit round here sometimes

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

but you have no way to back up your claim, gabbneb, and quite frankly it's not very plausible.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

back in the day, we white boys just got called "wanyne's world"

sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

i'm not making a claim, i'm describing what i think might be a factor in the outcome rather than assuming that it's attributable to a failure by the organization

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

hstencil, you can recruit all you want, but if it's not the right situation, kids are not going to go. It's pretty much as simple as that.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't trying to stick up for you, I was offended myself. I just don't see why anyone should be allowed to get away with lashing out with a race-specific insult, no matter what racial origin they are themselves. I don't see why white people should have to "get over" race-specific stuff any more than black people should. It would have been just as easy for Dan to say "fuck you, asshole" as to say "fuck off, whiteboy" - I'm just pointing out that a) there's a difference between those two things b) that there was no need for it and c) that if someone had said "fuck you blacky" to him it would have caused a huge outcry.

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

can people please stop responding to this asshole

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

but i'd rather be a white boy than an asshole.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Uh-oh. I'm smellin' a revival...
Speaking of churches, I had a very unsettling time at a church Halloween
carnival recently. My children and I attended the carnival at Pulaski
Heights Methodist Church last Sunday at the invitation of a friend/member.
Walking around and laughing with all of the adults was a young gentleman
dressed completely in blackface, including full afro, carrying a wine
glass. He may have been portraying some funny character from a movie -- I
dunno, not as hip as I used to be.

Its ironic, because the same day the D*G referenced a judge who had been
suspended for 6 months for doing that exact same thing. Am I missing
something? I'm not very PC, but it still seems rather offensive and taboo,
not b/c its offensive in and of itself, but simply b/c of the cultural
history including the old Step n' Fetchit bs. Kind of like flying an
airplane into a building isn't offensive per se, but given the context
after 9/11, it is now.

Did his parents not say anything to him? What about the older adults at the
church? They didn't have many AA's in attendance, so maybe the church
members thought it was no big deal.

That's from a local mailing list that I received today.

Oh, and quit sniveling .......... You'll get over it soon, white boy.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Please tell me why I'm an asshole! I'm just pointing out that racism, whether at its extremes or just a unthinking lashing out, can be offensive and cause hurt to people. I don't like racism in any form - where's the asshole in that?

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Reed has 3% black enrollment. Bard has 2.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

i'm not making a claim, i'm describing what i think might be a factor in the outcome rather than assuming that it's attributable to a failure by the organization

but, again, you have no proof, unless U of C actually releases stats on minority recruitment, which i doubt they do. i'm going to assume it's a failure, perhaps it's just my pessimism, but i'm not sure what drives your defense of an institution that has never particularly seemed to try too hard, afaik, to recruit from its own community.

hstencil, you can recruit all you want, but if it's not the right situation, kids are not going to go. It's pretty much as simple as that.

sure. but there's a lot more that can be done than just half-hearted efforts at recruitment (if that's the problem - none of us knows the actual reasons the percentage is so low). i am not so sure, as gabbneb is, that the reason the percentage is so low is because qualified black students go elsewhere, esp. if it's local students we're talking about.

xpost - bard is in the middle of nowhere, not the "capitol of black america" gabbneb.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Kind of like flying an
airplane into a building isn't offensive per se

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

so yeah shit got heated but i think its cool now [...], i think most everybody gets to talkin shit round here sometimes

OTM. (Sorry for calling you a dumb ass, Ethan.)

Dan (Blacky) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

U of C is so not the only school where people are rocking the ghetto / thug / pimp-and-ho / etc parties. What's so ultra-shocking about that shit is the fact that, you know, U of C students spend a lot of their time trying to avoid thug action in the surrounding neighborhoods; you wouldn't think this stuff would be funny or unreal to them at all. If a bunch of kids in Iowa have a party like that, you know they're mostly just imitating random images from movies and television -- but U of C students see and interact with more than enough actual poor black people in real life to know better.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

are you a regular poster logged out or just some guy? if logged out, why are you scared???

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Both Northwestern and Loyola Chicago have 5% black enrollment (as does Cornell)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Dartmouth, Penn and Princeton get you up to 7%, while HYS's massive fuckoff endowments hit 8%. Columbia at 10% is special "in Harlem"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

right, ok so columbia is special "in Harlem," but u of c - smack dab in the black belt, hell even just a short walk away from louis farrakhan's house - just gets unlucky with its qualified black candidates going elsewhere?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

It's strange that you assume I'm a guy - but yeah, I'm not a regular poster. It's kind of a strange message board - I thought it was weird that tracer called me an asshole without knowing anything about me, especially as I consider my views to be more or less normal and since I hadn't said anything bad to him/her. But hey, maybe you guys just think differently to me, no problem. By the way, I read ILE a lot and generally think Dan is a pretty cool guy - that's why I was confused at him lashing out like that, since he seems very level headed. I'll log in as Asshole Whiteboy next time and we can have some more fun.

........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

bard is in the middle of nowhere, not the "capitol of black america" gabbneb.

I was picking schools that, like UoC, have unfortunately low yield rates due to their particular image. Oberlin is in the middle of nowhere, too, and is 7% black.

even just a short walk away from louis farrakhan's house

right across the street from Richard Epstein

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

U of C's "personality" as a school -- something they haven't made much effort to alter over the years -- isn't particularly well-suited to recruiting students of any color. It's a forbidding place, and kind of "one of us, one of us" chant for the serious-minded and/or debilitatingly neurotic. Also black people don't want to live around Hyde Park, either.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

It's strange that you assume I'm a guy

Probably because the majority of the posters are male? I could be wrong though.

Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Oberlin is in the middle of nowhere, too, and is 7% black.

oberlin was founded by abolitionists, and is only 45 minutes from cleveland.

Also black people don't want to live around Hyde Park, either.

i always thought it was a nice neighborhood! ok, some not nice parts near it, but in general it seems pretty good.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

I think a school's personality need not impact a minority population in particular if it has an across-the-board impact, because that will likely alone have a disproportionate impact on the minority enrollment, but nabisco is otm too.

oberlin was founded by abolitionists, and is only 45 minutes from cleveland.

you get 7% at Swarthmore too. and how long does it take to get to NYC from Bard?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

at least 2 hours.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Um important distinction - 4% is the african-american percentage at UofC, not 'black' percentage which is, I imagine, a bit higher - at my college we had a sizeable number of jamaican and african students as well. So make sure that the numbers you guys get at other schools that are 'so much higher' are not 'minority' or 'black' percentages but percentages of African-Americans, if yr gonna be making parallels.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

I feel like this thread has turned into some really bizarre version of Pokemon.

Dan (Gotta Catch 'Em All) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Wait, is Chicago really the capital of black america? When did that happen? I haven't read that in Jet...

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

hahaha 'racists - gotta catch em all!!'

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

what about atlanta, houston, d.c., bmore, detroit....

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

ok, thought Bard was closer. but still, Williams - 11%. of course, it's easier when the absolute numbers are smaller.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

I went to one of these "ghetto" parties that was being held in my dorm at NYU a few years back. Bunch of white kids with bandanas tied up Tupac style, drinking 40s and listening to 50 Cent, and not a single black student anywhere. Add to that white marketing majors trying to talk "ebonic" and saying things like "bust a cap."

I left immediately -- not only because it was offensive, but also EMBARRASSING that the kids did not realize how offensive it was. Also, because there were no blunts.

elmo (allocryptic), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

i guess it does sound better than 'chicago: home of kenan hebert and batshit livejournals'

_, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

the "reverse racism" card does not really play here at all, .........., and you kept playing it even after it was obvious no one was buying it, which led me to believe you weren't really listening i.e. being an asshole.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

both harlem and chicago's south side have been claimed as the "capital of black america." some background on chicago's history is here:

http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/27.html

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

if you had been not listening to ME, though, oh man, i would have called you so much worse

xpost

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm mostly kidding, Stencil, and anyway I'm thinking more of the situation of Hyde Park -- the way it's cut off from the rest of the city, and the way the neighborhoods around it aren't always the greatest. If you're a black student with a record good enough for the U of C, you've got choices -- why go to the school "where fun comes to die?"

And Gabbnebb, of course personality's an issue. There's nothing at all about the U of C that tries to entice students in normal ways. It's rigorous and it's weird, and that's obvious. It's hard to leave the neighborhood, and the undergrads act like grad students, and they "value neurosis." They have t-shirts that say "where fun comes to die." It self-selects for a particular kind of person, you know, and that needn't make a huge difference with white people or Asians -- the pool of qualified applicants is large enough that you can select and select your way as much as you want. But when you're fighting over the not-yet-proportionate pool of qualified black students, you don't have room to select that fiercely. To be honest I'm surprised they're even close to competitive with some of the other schools listed here.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)


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