so?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)
― ........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)
― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
OR, it's stupid and reductive, by and large.
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
xpost well, Ethan is a boy who is white and I think Dan's point was that it was "cute" he was telling a black guy how black people feel about things.
― Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― ........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
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― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)
― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)
― Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)
― ........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)
Speaking of churches, I had a very unsettling time at a church Halloween carnival recently. My children and I attended the carnival at Pulaski Heights Methodist Church last Sunday at the invitation of a friend/member. Walking around and laughing with all of the adults was a young gentleman dressed completely in blackface, including full afro, carrying a wine glass. He may have been portraying some funny character from a movie -- I dunno, not as hip as I used to be.Its ironic, because the same day the D*G referenced a judge who had been suspended for 6 months for doing that exact same thing. Am I missing something? I'm not very PC, but it still seems rather offensive and taboo, not b/c its offensive in and of itself, but simply b/c of the cultural history including the old Step n' Fetchit bs. Kind of like flying an airplane into a building isn't offensive per se, but given the context after 9/11, it is now.Did his parents not say anything to him? What about the older adults at the church? They didn't have many AA's in attendance, so maybe the church members thought it was no big deal.
Its ironic, because the same day the D*G referenced a judge who had been suspended for 6 months for doing that exact same thing. Am I missing something? I'm not very PC, but it still seems rather offensive and taboo, not b/c its offensive in and of itself, but simply b/c of the cultural history including the old Step n' Fetchit bs. Kind of like flying an airplane into a building isn't offensive per se, but given the context after 9/11, it is now.
Did his parents not say anything to him? What about the older adults at the church? They didn't have many AA's in attendance, so maybe the church members thought it was no big deal.
Oh, and quit sniveling .......... You'll get over it soon, white boy.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)
― ........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)
but, again, you have no proof, unless U of C actually releases stats on minority recruitment, which i doubt they do. i'm going to assume it's a failure, perhaps it's just my pessimism, but i'm not sure what drives your defense of an institution that has never particularly seemed to try too hard, afaik, to recruit from its own community.
hstencil, you can recruit all you want, but if it's not the right situation, kids are not going to go. It's pretty much as simple as that.
sure. but there's a lot more that can be done than just half-hearted efforts at recruitment (if that's the problem - none of us knows the actual reasons the percentage is so low). i am not so sure, as gabbneb is, that the reason the percentage is so low is because qualified black students go elsewhere, esp. if it's local students we're talking about.
xpost - bard is in the middle of nowhere, not the "capitol of black america" gabbneb.
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)
― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)
OTM. (Sorry for calling you a dumb ass, Ethan.)
― Dan (Blacky) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)
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― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)
― ........, Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)
I was picking schools that, like UoC, have unfortunately low yield rates due to their particular image. Oberlin is in the middle of nowhere, too, and is 7% black.
even just a short walk away from louis farrakhan's house
right across the street from Richard Epstein
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
Probably because the majority of the posters are male? I could be wrong though.
― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)
oberlin was founded by abolitionists, and is only 45 minutes from cleveland.
Also black people don't want to live around Hyde Park, either.
i always thought it was a nice neighborhood! ok, some not nice parts near it, but in general it seems pretty good.
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)
you get 7% at Swarthmore too. and how long does it take to get to NYC from Bard?
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)
― Dan (Gotta Catch 'Em All) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)
― Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)
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― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)
I left immediately -- not only because it was offensive, but also EMBARRASSING that the kids did not realize how offensive it was. Also, because there were no blunts.
― elmo (allocryptic), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)
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― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)
http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/27.html
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)
xpost
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)
And Gabbnebb, of course personality's an issue. There's nothing at all about the U of C that tries to entice students in normal ways. It's rigorous and it's weird, and that's obvious. It's hard to leave the neighborhood, and the undergrads act like grad students, and they "value neurosis." They have t-shirts that say "where fun comes to die." It self-selects for a particular kind of person, you know, and that needn't make a huge difference with white people or Asians -- the pool of qualified applicants is large enough that you can select and select your way as much as you want. But when you're fighting over the not-yet-proportionate pool of qualified black students, you don't have room to select that fiercely. To be honest I'm surprised they're even close to competitive with some of the other schools listed here.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)