ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

One of six U.S. women has experienced an attempted or completed rape.[146] More than a quarter of college age women report having experienced a rape or rape attempt since age 14.[147] Some types of rape are excluded from official reports altogether (the FBI's definition, for example, used to exclude all rapes except forcible rapes of females), because a significant number of rapes go unreported even when they are included as reportable rapes, and also because a significant number of rapes reported to the police do not advance to prosecution.[148]

yeah we're not really talking abt qualitatively ranking the horrific, the point is that rape is still a sickeningly common epidemic, so there's going to be a heightened sensitivity towards it, especially in a genre that has had a historically problematic relationship with the depiction of woman as it is. I brought the reanimator up because it's such a goofily surreal movie but ms carl is right to point out that that makes it worse in many ways.

on a related note, I didn't like the evil dead remake much anyway but retaining the woods rape scene was pretty o_O - that was like the first plot point on the list they should've given an overhaul

on a related note, I didn't like the evil dead remake much anyway but retaining the woods rape scene was pretty o_O - that was like the first plot point on the list they should've given an overhaul

― a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Friday, 25 October 2013 09:34 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, that pissed me off on a grand scale, doubly so the apparent 'oh it's just a headnod' blitheness about it

Yeah, of all the things to keep from the original ...

I was just reacting, honestly, to the way some, including me, find certain things more offensive or horrific than others, often for deeply personal reasons. But trying to be objective about it, I found/find it really hard to say one incredibly gruesome, horrible thing to be worse than another, even when I'm as guilty as the aforementioned as anyone else. Murder is far more common than rape, but that doesn't make the rampant depiction of murder in movies less horrible. We've just all been more systematically inured. Which is in and of itself disturbing. The fact that rape doesn't find its way casually into many films, horror or otherwise, shows how seriously it is (and should be taken), but the fact that gruesome murders pervade cinema - man, the glut of serial killer films alone - shows how far we've been shifted as a society.

also: when a man is writing/directing a scene in which a woman is being raped for cheap horror thrills (which ime is the usual permutation) there are just so many levels to that which are ferociously and fundamentally indefensible xp

Murder is far more common than rape

uh, are you sure about that

especially in a genre that has had a historically problematic relationship with the depiction of woman as it is

Yes yes, a very good point. This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. Back to my initial comments, a lot of my reluctance to watch a movie like Dead Girl is that I don't trust the genre.

based on those stats above it seems like 30 million women in this country have dealt w/at least an attempted rape

The fact that rape doesn't find its way casually into many films, horror or otherwise

Are you sure about that?

yeah josh, i'm trying very hard to not engage in a typical ilx pile-on here, but i don't think i've known or met anyone who's been murdered xxxp

yeah I don't think 1 in 6 american women have been victims of murder or attempted murder

I'm not calling you out man cuz I'm guilty in this area as well, but there's a lot of male privilege encoded in yr posts, it's shit we don't have to worry abt on a day to day basis, so we don't

the murder rate in the US *is* insanely high, and is more readily reported/easier to quantify than rape ("oh hey look there's a dead body!"), making statistical comparison a bit tricky. I can't authoritatively say that Josh is wrong but I dunno if the numbers are really that clear.

RAINN says someone is sexually assaulted every 2 minutes in the US. Dunno if the murder rate is quite that high.

this says 1 murder ever 34 minutes

i don't think i've known or met anyone who's been murdered
i have! but i've known a lot more people who have been raped. either way, i'm not trying to rank which is more horrifying. that's a waste of time.

and one rape every 6 minutes

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I too have known victims of both crimes.

aaaaanyway

what else should I get at the store this week besides American Mary?

I watched Grave Encounters last night and that was fun as hell.

Somebody upthread said it was the natural evolution of the found footage genre and I can agree with that. It had the same kind of eerie creepiness of the best parts of the PA movies, but felt more dangerous, probably because it didn't wait until the last ten minutes of the movie to cram in all the complete batshittery. Like you know early on that whatever's haunting that asylum means serious business. Also I love haunted asylums as settings for movies!!!

I'm still so angry at Twixt for totally squandering its initial fantastic batshittedness

I've pretty much avoided the entire "found footage" subgenre, I hated Blair Witch Project so much. That and my wife hates watching too much shakey handheld camera work. I realize these prejudices are perhaps unfounded.

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stable mo collier

I love that I just xposted you and yet both of us used expanded versions of "batshit"

excision was good, lords of salem was surprisingly good but not everyone feels the same

xp to shakey

Ray Wise AND Traci Lords I'm there

Let's just say that murder is plenty prevalent and leave it at that. If you all want to play semantics/statistics police, that's cool. My whole point was this stuff as depicted in movies can't be qualified/quantified, or per the near above

I'm not trying to rank which is more horrifying. that's a waste of time.

All right, fine, VHS 2 is streaming on Netflix, let's hope it sucks less than the first one

Infinitely better, might do a poll for best segment but I think I know which one will win

A neighbor of mine is really into horror movies, and he recommended one particular segment from V/H/S 2. Something about a cult?

BTW, I want to re-rup my support for "The Tall Man," a movie that totally took me by surprise on several levels. Seems to be back on Netflix after a bit?

Excellent film, but no more "horror" than Mary Higgins Clark.

Well, it starts out like a more traditional horror film ...

OK, first V/H/S 2 segment, with the eye, was stupid. One down ...

Second segment basically Rec 3 ish, though I'm not sure I've ever seen the zom-cam before. Writing and acting uniformly awful so far.

I'm not sure what people who call V/H/S 2 "vastly superior" to the first were watching. They're both equally mediocre anthologies, with exactly one stand-out segment each. The only advantage the sequel has is its shorter running time.

Or "infinitely better," as it were.

But wow, segment three - A+!

Alien segment lame, but better than Super 8. Wraparound segment makes no sense.

Watched RESOLUTION last night. It's about a guy who visits his crackhead buddy at his place in the woods and handcuffs the buddy to a pipe for a week so that he can get clean. It's far less intense than it sounds: the two do not have an antagonistic relationship, and the crackhead is a really funny and interesting character. Very slowly, things in the woods get weird, sort of leaking into the realistic plot in the manner of something like I CAN SEE YOU or THE OREGONIAN.

Cool movie, though what is lacks (hence the title??) is resolution.

So this annual fest at Lincoln Center has a lot of recent stuff which means absolutely nothing to me (on the retro side I might check out Let's Scare Jessica to Death). And uh, Bobcat Goldthwait has made a horror film. Anything you would care to recommend to a non-genre person whose taste runs toward Kiyoshi Kurosawa and (non-early) Cronenberg?

http://www.filmlinc.com/films/series/scary-movies-7

I love Let's Scare Jessica to Death.

Let's Scare Jessica!! So good.

hal jam, it was infinitely better to me because i completely hated all of the first one, and thought the segments in this one ranged from serviceable to actually really good - which is a huge improvement. also the wrap around was eh this time instead of being actively terrible.

i would prob watch all of that NYC thing, but yes lets scare jessica is moody and decent, and i would def check out the bobcat thing thx to loving "world's greatest dad" but with a little worry thx to hating "god bless america"

I'll always remember the '83 curtains as the film I saw because the box office wouldn't sell me a ticket to the evil dead (it was rated X!)

curtains was terrible aside from this surreal slo-mo sequence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz3BOMrsV5g

I would watch the Bobcat one just out of curiosity - his track record is erratic, but enough to be interesting. Jessica is like the only film I know on that list lol

oh and Cemetary Man

Synapse Films is restoring Curtains from the original camera interpositives. i was never a fan. creepy but dull. the clip above is all you really need. it may even be better out of context, since it's such a slog to get there.

Patrick should be fun, since it's done by the Not Quite Hollywood guy. i expect it to have more spunk than the stodgy original, and to be less rote than the perfunctory Long Weekend rehash.
Death Weekend is a stunningly nasty post-LHOTL grindhouse R/R'r. would play great with the right crowd.

i have high hopes for the McKee and Cheap Thrills; less so for Roth. López-Gallego's King of the Mountain was a tense stunner. but Apollo 18.

Zack Parker isn't as clever or talented as he thinks he is.

Nothing turns me off quicker than the words "found footage."

let's scare jessica is fantastic but kind of moody and slow, cemetery man is a hoot, and I'd be curious about all cheerleaders must die since lucky mckee co-directed. I'm a fan of rituals but it's kind of a poor man's deliverance, good if you have a hankering for some 70s 4:30 movie style action on the big screen I guess...

i'd recommend Jessica to a Kurosawa K. fan. it traffics in dread in a very American way semi-analogous to the way something like Kairo or Loft subverts genre tropes.

Across the River has potential. Bianchini caught my attention with Custodes Bestiae. if he's gotten better...

man, a late-late Rituals/Death Weekend double-feature is the stuff of grindhouse-revival dreams.