Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

It's not that they care what's not in the Guardian – they care what is in it. For a section of long-standing readers, I think it's all about identity.

this is definitely a bit part of it for me.

without necessarily defending all of the fluff, i resent the assumption that anything to do with popular culture or celebrity or lifestyle is inherently unserious and unworthy and that the only legitimate journalism is about syria or whatever - only a small step from that position to being one of the angry dude commenters under lost in showbiz pieces.

i totally agree with this. i don't have a problem with the good writing about popular culture. i'm not talking about that (although tbf it probably sounds like i often am). i'm objecting to cynical, tossed off click/comment bait, which is the pop culture you see on the front page.

who are the guardian's funny writers these days? (not imagining halcyon days. humour in the guardian has always been absolutely dreadful.)

bit part = big part

so i don't reject the premise of articles about british bake off/xfactor being in the guardian. i object to the specific articles.

matt is right that at least 50% of the sport section is vulnerable to the same criticism.

That's exactly it, nobody even mentioned celeb-related articles.

i resent the assumption that anything to do with popular culture or celebrity or lifestyle is inherently unserious and unworthy and that the only legitimate journalism is about syria or whatever - only a small step from that position to being one of the angry dude commenters under lost in showbiz pieces. firmly believe that pop culture, and analysis thereof, is as ~important as anything else; dismissing it as "fluff" just means your classist and misogynistic biases are showing.

haha lol

idk I get the identity thing but the third biggest newspaper website in the world is inevitably going to be a big tent catering to a diverse group of campers. I'm happy not clicking on GBBO/Strictly/"trading up" articles as long as I find a bunch worthwhile reads every day.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/2/12/1360693289952/Suzanne_Moore.jpg

shit it didn't drag the headline

"Lady Gaga is no substitute for Lou Reed"

The plan to illuminate Rjukan was cooked up 100 years ago by the Norwegian industrialist Sam Eyde, who built the town to provide workers for a hydroelectric plant he located at the foot of a nearby waterfall.

Occupied by the Germans during the second world war, the factory was a staging post in Hitler's quest for the atomic bomb.

In contrast to the shadow cast over Europe by Hitler's plan for an atomic weapon, the three mirrors, measuring 183-sq ft (17-sq m) and ironically being remotely controlled from Germany, captured the sunlight and sent it in an ellipse that illuminated about one-third of the square below.

What is the context of the irony?

Beckham's son Brooklyn hoping for Manchester United chance

Last updated five minutes ago
Los Angeles Galaxy v Colorado Rapids
Manchester United have been running the rule over Brooklyn Beckham with a view to offering him a place in their academy

= the main story on the football page

he is 14 years old

all the beckham boys will be fashion designers

show me someone born into that sort of privilege and I'll show you someone who'll live cushy

plus their mother is arguably as good a fashion designer as their dad is a footballer, and the former fits far better as a career with their lofty station

Don't the big clubs start recruiting even younger than 14?

Celtic have players in the youth academy at 6.

Brooklyn was in the la galaxy academy though, so already been professionally coached before, just at a smaller club.

he's in the QPR academy apparently?

the chance of a 14 yr old at man utd becoming a successful premier league player are probably about 4%, and he isn't even there yet, so until or unless the kid gets within some proximity of professional football file it with the rest of the sleb blather

isn't Sleb Blather chairman of FIFA though?

I'm a sucker for these sorts of lavish designs

http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/nov/01/snowden-nsa-files-surveillance-revelations-decoded

i'm not a fan of auto-play video in any form.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/30/posh-pop-debutante-ball-inequality

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/13/i-fucking-love-science-elsie-andrew/print

url gets her name wrong, A++

elsie!

if they have to do a long article about the inventor of 'i fucking love science', misspelling their name is the least they can do

Mexican costume
Are they racist?

I am usually a staunch defender of the website but snidely liveblogging a 1970s Carry On film may be a bridge too far.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/11/carry-on-dick-liveblog

wait a minute.
Back in the 1980s when the alternative comedy thing was huge and Carry On and Bruce Forsyth was "out" would the Graun be live blogging something like this?
Think not.
Right on!!!!!!

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Villas-Boas told to leave out Llorism by medics

no place for Llorism in the modern game

"http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=77&threadid=98014#unread"; no longer accurately titled then

They were liveblogging No Country For Old Men the other day. I don't understand that at all.

it allows them to keep running investigative journalism

http://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/quiz/2013/nov/12/is-your-child-a-yob-quiz?CMP=fb_gu

classy

J ‏@piercepenniless 5 Jun
I can't imagine what it must be like to have so profoundly little to say about the world as Tim Dowling does. Acres of paper, utterly wasted

dim owl ting

craig brown used to write things like that for the telegraph

dim owl ting

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IRL LOL

I really enjoy Tim Dowling's columns.

Craig Brown is a genuinely planet-sized douche

dim owl ting

― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:35 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IRL LOL

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 14:40 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

+1

it allows them to keep running investigative journalism

It's a bit like New Labour's pact with the City.

it allows them to keep running capitalism

I was referring to profits of the boom being skimmed off and spent on things like Sure Start.

i was referring to allowing the capitalists to continue to create the kind of gaping inequalities that made Sure Start necessary and doomed to fail

It astounds me the number of times I click on things then think "Ah, they know I clicked on this". I'm shaping the future of journalism by clicking on crap links.

Sponsored feature, Gallery (8 pictures), 15 Nov 2013

"I don’t live in the past,” says Guy Hills, who opens the door to his Victorian house in north London sporting plus fours, pointy slippers and Brylcreem. Once inside, it becomes clear his statement is at odds with his home, too: it’s furnished almost entirely with salvaged and vintage finds, revived and reinvented by Maria Speake, designer and co-founder of Retrouvius, a business devoted to saving and reusing the old. The four-storey house is in Primrose Hill, one of London’s most creative neighbourhoods (Nicholas Hytner and Helen Fielding live in the same street and every second house, it seems, sports a blue plaque). Regent’s Canal flows past the back garden: “We sometimes row to London Zoo with the kids, or to Camden Lock,” Hills says.

The building was divided into flats when he and his wife Natasha moved here in 2002. Having bought out the owners of the upper floors, they started work on creating a family home (the couple have three children, Amelia, 10, Hector, eight, and Rex, six), party pad and HQ for Hills’ textile and menswear company, Dashing Tweeds. They approached Retrouvius because Hills loves all things vintage (he has an impressive collection of snuff boxes).