Why are Japanese films so terrible?

(Golden Child on now, Forrest Gump at 9)

i rest my case

a starter's Naruse guide

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/feature/better-late-than-never-the-films-of-mikio-naruse/174

list of Kinema Junpo top 10s by year

http://www.rinkworks.com/checklist/list.cgi?u=crimsong&p=kinemajunpotop10s

Kinema Junpo's Top 200 Japanese Films of All Time

http://www.imdb.com/list/hnvRBfilvaI/?ref_=tt_rls_5

Kinema Junpo's Top 15 of all time (1995 version)

http://www.imdb.com/list/z9-B5AIuIgY/

(i've seen 8 of that last list. Floating Clouds is on next week and i plan on picking up the others. 2 aren't available here though (although one is available in french))

You'd expect Ozu to be shown as his reputation is so high not Naruse so its terrific that Film4 are doing it actually!

yeah, this is the first time that any Naruse films have ever been broadcast on a UK TV channel

in a slot usually reserved for Gary Cooper's lesser movies and the odd Gainsborough bodice-ripper

no, that 11am on thursday is normally a foreign film. lots of ghibli stuff etc. lots of the films for that Story Of Film season got broadcast there. but usually they are repeats of foreign things that have been on elsewhen (often v late at night)

on the 10th, for example, it was Monsieur Lazhar (french canadian). on the 3rd, Las Acacias (argentinian), the thrusday before that The World of Apu (indian), the week before that part 2 of the Apu trilogy, Aparajito...

(why is film4 listings website so terrible? can i not just get an ascii list of the next week's films instead of the web2.0 scroll-a-thon they subject me to?)

You can do it day by day on the iPlayer site, though it only has the upcoming three days and is time+title only.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/tv/film4/20131019

yeah, i found somewhere else. i also adblocked the hell out of the daily listing page - http://www.film4.com/ontv and now it loads without the weird pauses whilst something i don't care about refreshes.

in on-topic news, the above has Kiki's Delivery Service listed for two thursday's time where i'd be expecting Woman Ascends to be if they were doing the trilogy, like they announced. but i realise that might change, or it might be on later due to content.

tbf i accept that broadcasting the movies at all is a Good Thing and i will leave my irked vendetta with Film4 for another thread

When a Woman Ascends the Stairs is on on the 7th november

anyone seen Himizu? just arrived in NY after 3 years.

http://www.littlewhitelies.co.uk/theatrical-reviews/himizu-20645

here's a review of the two Sono films playing NY... Himizu had me shaken throughout, among the best I've seen this year or last.

http://filmcomment.com/entry/reviews-guilty-of-romance-himizu

(searching the board, didnt know his other stuff is usu horror)

oh, i have seen love exposure - martial arts meets up-the-skirt photography. odd.

Land of Hope and Why Don't You Play in Hell? are both playing at this year's MSPIFF.

haha, "love exposure" is more than just "odd"! it's a spectacle!

sono is probably the most interesting filmmaker working today (not counting malick as he's on the way out, shane carruth hasn't done enough for me to really tell). (weerasethakul is up there too)

only sono i've seen is Cold Fish, which was a p good, slightly overextended, serial-psycho killer movie

definitely check out noriko's dinner table and strange circus, then love exposure if you're feeling daring.

I'm p sure i watched the first hour of Love Exposure a few years ago

I hated Cold Fish, but adored Love Exposure. Oh, and Strange Circus is pretty great, too. I can't wait to see Himizu!

Land of Hope played at last years PIX, and I pretty much loved it. But I have family who fled Fukushima, so it hit close to home. Had never seen a Sono before. He has another, apparantly more horrific, playing this year, and I'll see it.

http://www.ica.org.uk/whats-on/seasons/yoshitaro-nomura-film-season

^ Looking to catch something from this season. Anyone know him?

Completely ignorant of him. Anyone know Kohei Iguri or Muddy River?

http://www.japansociety.org/event/muddy-river

yeah, it's a good one. art theatre guild production if I'm not mistaken.

i wish I had more time to keep up w/ contemporary Japanese cinema. I could post some suggestions later if anyone wants 'em.

btw the thread title is probably the wrongest thing ever posted to ILX. :(

i have "why don't you play in hell" lined up for watching this weekend.

I saw Kitano's Outrage Beyond being reviewed earlier this year, did anyone catch it? I was really pleasantly surprised by it, has some really great scenes in it.

last couple of JP films I've seen have been hard work - am now onto the silent ozu gangster set. think I need to switch up to major films by minor directors rather than minor films by major directors and stop watching 80yo films. that said, I've also just bought the yamanaka box.

you're right, outrage is pretty good, although it probably benefited from my very diminished expectations after over a decade of kitano going from failure to failure (some more interesting than others).

koogs, make sure you watch shimizu films, they are the best.

haven't seen outrage II: outrageous, though.

(which shimizu? imdb lists a couple, one active in 30s, the other the ju-on guy. I do need to pick up copies of that and ringu, yes, as it's been a while)

finished the bfi ozu gangster set. all silent, which isn't my thing, really.

and he did that thing where he takes a film he made 3 years earlier (Walk Cheerfully) and uses the same initial premise for another film (Dragnet Girl). so you get a secretary who is proposed to by her boss but isn't interested, and a bunch of gangsters hanging out in a boxing gym. and identical shots between the two films (slow pans across a row of typewriters...). and only then do they diverge...

(Dragnet Girl also features a scene in a yoyo jazz club, which is a bit bewildering. i assume it's jazz - it's silent so you don't get to hear...)

lots more motion in these films than in later efforts. you get some of the two-people-both-talking-straight-to-camera conversations and he's already got the pillow-shots down but you also get movement.

oh, and early chishu ryu roles in a couple of them, playing a policeman each time

(which shimizu? imdb lists a couple, one active in 30s, the other the ju-on guy. I do need to pick up copies of that and ringu, yes, as it's been a while)

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yes, there are two hiroshi shimizus. i mean the one who worked from 1920s to 1950s (I believe). there's a cheap criterion eclipse set featuring four of his 1930s films, it's the best thing you will ever buy for yourself IMO.

http://www.criterion.com/boxsets/601-eclipse-series-15-travels-with-hiroshi-shimizu

(you can find it for 1/2 that price, just look around the interwebs)

not so available in the uk... £30 on amazon but likely to attract import tax.

hmm, well I would head to the torrentosphere then.

also the films are on criterion's hulu plus channel.

The what what?

oh, you britishers.

http://www.hulu.com/movies/criterion

Has anyone seen Miike's Big Bang Love, Juvenile A? It's supposed to be a slow, moody, overtly homoerotic Brecht/Genet prison thing, which sounds awesome, but I've been burned before.

Can only be watched from the US.

big bang love is great, def favorite miike

I saw Sion Sono's latest, Why Don't You Play In Hell, last night, wrote a bit about it here: http://centrifugue.blogspot.com/2014/04/cphpix-day-2-jealousy-why-dont-you-play.html Short version: It is mad, but fun and really well made. I need to see more Sono.

I've also seen Miike's 13 Assasins on Mubi. My first Miike. Don't know how much I feel the need to see more.

At least see The Bird People in China! Trust me, you won't regret it.

I love Bird People Of China. Possibly my favourite by him. I love that crazy drug scene that sticks out like nothing else in the film.

We were talking about Sono on the 2005 - present horror film thread, this is my rundown of his films I've seen...
ok lets all shit our pants to something new: post 2005 horror film thread

> I've also seen Miike's 13 Assasins on Mubi. My first Miike. Don't know how much I feel the need to see more.

i liked his 13 assassins, probably more than the original. but it was obviously cut for a 15 certificate and that started to annoy me after a while.

his remake of harakiri is also worth a watch