American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

The guy trying to primary Boehner next year has an explanation

http://www.redstate.com/ericgurr/2013/10/15/why-the-gop-loses-so-often/

@sahilkapur: .@senjohnmccain: "Republicans have to understand we have lost this battle, as I predicted weeks ago." http://t.co/eSi8ZSYO7A

mccain trying to make people learn lesson w/e grandpa

maverick

what is "key voting"?

It's the votes they keep track of for their "report cards". If you don't vote according to the dipshits' bidding, you won't get an A

Negotiation 101

The first rule is that you must negotiate as if you expect to win.

that's the only rule! if you believe enough, your wishes will come true marantha jesus christ

First and only rule of negotiation in Congress: count your votes; when you have enough votes to win, then you win. Let's see now... it takes 60 votes to get anything done in the Senate, and if the president vetos a bill, it takes...(mumbles, fiddles with fingers) Nope! Not enough votes. You lose.

tbf the tactic worked for them before

not that they shouldntve known that it wouldn't this time

cruzs college roommate lmao

@clmazin: One thing Ted Cruz is really good at: uniting people who otherwise disagree about everything else in a total hatred of Ted Cruz.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/obama-has-already-won-the-shutdown-fight-and-hes-coming-for

. . . your women

This isn't funny anymore.

No dude it's still kind of funny.

I mean come on. "Boehner".

lol

underutilised imo

Good morning! Are we done yet?

we're done

lol every single blogger on twitter bragging they predicted this outcome, lol dudes everyone knew boehner relenting was the most probable end come on

doesnt mean there wasnt a black swan lurking tho

is it too early to drink?

too early not to imo

cheers

I was done in 1984

1884

it looks like it is over but there are still votes that have to happen in both Senate and House. It's very likely these will happen exactly as outlined, but I'm not calling it done until the votes go through. I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to enact some last minute shenanigans to blow it all up again.

Just now:

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO/status/390485943276158976

RT @sahilkapur Multiple Senate sources say Boehner has agreed to vote first on the Reid-McConnell deal. Game over.

reposting after the madness cos this is really good:

pretty sly and semi-convincing piece of radical writing here:

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/10/tea-party-yankees/

basically, "the tea party is correct in loving the constitution the way they do... and that's why the constitution is bad gree hee hee"

― goole, Tuesday, October 15, 2013 1:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Over" and then the Republican get to cause trouble again in January.

And despite what most see as a debacle for Republicans, a core group of conservatives insisted Tuesday that they are winning their battle to force concessions from Democrats on fiscal issues.

The president, they say, has been forced into a negotiation, even though he has said he will cede nothing in exchange for opening the government and raising the debt ceiling. The nation’s attention has been focused on problems with the health-care law. And, they say, making Boehner move to the right is itself a victory.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/failure-of-boehners-plan-shows/2013/10/15/0dcbfcc8-35bf-11e3-80c6-7e6dd8d22d8f_story_1.html

xp otm, i thought it was a good piece

did u read the jstor link to the article about how the founders were anti-democracy?

no, i didn't. i should check it out (if jstor works for me)

not "over" -- offseason.

NJ Democrats can comfort themselves today by voting for that POS Booker.

i'm vaguely aware of the 18th cent connotation of "democracy" as "mob rule" tho

xp

hey morbs yr boy might be running for governor - you excited?

no idea even what state yr talkin bout

new york, home of the yankees

david wright is running for governor?

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/daily-pitch/2012/03/13/trump13x-large.jpg

The nation’s attention has been focused on problems with the health-care law

what nation is this about

u can register to jstor and get something like 3 free articles every 15 days

Might do that. That article linked above was pretty interesting

And despite what most see as a debacle for Republicans, a core group of conservatives insisted Tuesday that they are winning their battle to force concessions from Democrats on fiscal issues.

as foolishly as Dems usually handle victories, this is some through-the-looking-glass shit

Move On Everybody, It Just Doesn’t Matter
By Jonah Goldberg
October 16, 2013 10:11 AM
Comments110

The ugliness of the GOP schism will probably have a long half life, as various parties feel the need to point fingers and shout “I didn’t do it!” But if at all possible, I think conservatives and Republicans would be well-served by putting these disagreements behind us, like family fights at a Thanksgiving table that are best forgotten. If this were a very special episode of a 1980s TV show, we could resolve all of this with a simple break-dancing competition

So we're pretty much set for a deal...except for the possibility that Ted Cruz might hold it up? Everything I'm reading suggests the votes could proceed quickly unless Cruz decides to vote no, singlehandedlt delaying passage for a few more days.

I guess he's not planning on ruining everything because he hasn't been in the news pressing his case, but counting on Ted Cruz to do a reasonable thing isn't a very comforting thought.

I think that the house taking this up first means that Cruz would not have a opportunity to hold up the Senate vote, but I may be wrong.

Yeah, the idea as I hear it is that Boehner goes first, then in the Senate it's a sixty-vote deal rather than everybody. I also have a feeling McConnell would be happy smothering Cruz in case he tried anything.

done