American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

that's some NRO-level conspiracy theorizing there imho

Too many website hits were happening at first though. Most likely just curious people with insurance or people who had no idea what the exchanges are for.

heaven forbid people want the government to compedently use avalible technology to give people access to the government, spoiled brats

otm

we're talking about a party that lied america into a war in iraq. crashing government websites is montessori school hijinks compared to that

wait you mean Dick Cheney crashed the ARRA site? why that diabolical

tea leaves http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/are-democrats-demanding-their-own-ransom-now.html

you think shotgun cheney's gonna pay a tax on his pacemaker?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reid-hopeful-that-debt-deal-will-be-ready-by-monday-afternoon

"I hope so," Reid said when asked if a proposal would be ready for a 3 p.m. meeting with himself, McConnell, President Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA).

there should be a guy with a hat marked "Surrogate" at the table that speaks the will of Ted Cruz, a la season 3 of Arrested Development

As a group of high-powered staff members, representing the most powerful politicians at the top of the executive and legislative, branches huddle together in a conference room over sandwiches and mineral water, we overhear the following exchange:

A: We're all going to have to give something here, right?

B: Yes. We know that. The consquences of inaction are much too grave.

C: Obviously. A debt default would hurt the banks.

D: And not just here. Everywhere.

A: We're not about to do that. We can all agree?

All: Yes. We're ready to make sacrifices for the common good.

A: Then it's decided. We'll sacrifice the poor.

Toasts are raised and jubilation breaks out.

meta: tnr tries to get robert costa killed

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115179/robert-costa-interview-national-review-reporter-talks-about-shutdown

erickson was bitching about costa earlier and some breitbart 'reporter' was throwing shade on twitter

cool how this is the USA '13 and not the soviet union '37 because these guys would totally be show trialing the shit out of each other

costa is a phishhead

CNN just broke: the deal is: government opened immediately, debt ceiling lifted until February; the Democratic concession is income verification.

and how does john boehner feel about this

BOEHNER: I'm out for Bob Costa's head.

HENLEY: Well, yeah

I hope there were secret protocols to the effect that this hostage-taking shit won't happen again, bcz if not, then hello February debt crisis.

theres this http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/10/14/democrats_dare_gop_to_provoke_another_debt_crisis.html

how grand is your bargain

honestly tho i doubt republicans even wingnuts will want to do this again anytime soon

I'm surprised you posted that!

the only palliative here is 2014 is a congressional election y ear, and the GOP wants to forget about this farrago as quickly as possible, but this assumes they're rational.

enough of them are rational enough imho, like this did not at all play out how they planned and they know that

theres plenty of time for them to recover before the next election, but if they tried it again youd have to think it would amount to handing the house over to the democrats

do it once and fine you tried something that didnt work, do it twice and youre just untrustworthy

enough of them are rational enough imho, like this did not at all play out how they planned and they know that

― lag∞n, Monday, October 14, 2013 3:04 PM (4 minutes ago)

I think the reps themselves are, by a tiny margin, but their constituents will continue to howl for the Kenyan's head. Should be entertaining.

man idk what they'd have to do to flip the house back; probably actually follow thru and wreck the economy on purpose

as it stands, the ultras are safe, as they can claim they fought to the end and still spout their crazy thru-default-lies-paradise theories since those will never get reality tested (knock on wood)

the moderates/leadership are probably in more danger for having cut a deal, but their danger is all from the right

iow we'd have to see some kind of D+10 swing or greater (to get over the gerrymandering and off-year fx) right? and i kind of hope the country doesn't suffer whatever would make that happen.

I think the reps themselves are, by a tiny margin, but their constituents will continue to howl for the Kenyan's head. Should be entertaining.

― cops on horse (WilliamC), Monday, October 14, 2013 4:11 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but they can do other things to prove their wingnut bona fides that are not shutting down the government

I think most reps are probably politically rational, but I'm not so sure many of them are smart on a human level.

iow we'd have to see some kind of D+10 swing or greater (to get over the gerrymandering and off-year fx) right? and i kind of hope the country doesn't suffer whatever would make that happen.

― goole, Monday, October 14, 2013 4:12 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think i read +7

I think most reps are probably politically rational, but I'm not so sure many of them are smart on a human level.

― Johnny Fever,

protozoa, man

so the idea i that boehner will bring this to a vote in the house? and it'll pass with all democratic support, plus ~28 republicans? why is he willing to do this today and not, say, september 30th?

cause he really doesnt want to so hes waiting til the last minute hoping something else happens is the working theory afaict

but he hasnt agreed to anything yet

it's so cool that he shut down the govt for 2 weeks so that he could extend his role as house speaker by 2 weeks

Can Boehner bring anything to a vote without Eric Cantor's OK?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/house-republicans-rules-change_n_4095129.html

China otm

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/10/as-washington-struggles-beijing-proposes-a-de-americanized-world/280547/

ive seen that floating around facebook etc, seems like some inside baseball shit that they can work around if they want to xp

http://www.theonion.com/articles/john-boehners-wife-calls-for-her-shutdown-king-to,34213/

so...the pressure gets put on cantor to bring to a vote, suddenly a few million people in America learn who he is, realize that he looks like the nazi guy in Indiana Jones, he's holding up the entire agreement, and he caves. boehner and cantor go down in flames because they're not true american patriots any longer.

paul ryan for house speaker

CNN just broke: the deal is: government opened immediately, debt ceiling lifted until February; the Democratic concession is income verification.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 14, 2013 3:56 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this says the same + some reinsurance thing delayed for the dems idk both those concessions seem pretty cosmetic, the deal seems to consist of reopening the government and lifting the debt ceiling, aka if this goes through the democrats 'won'

http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/senate-debt-limit-framework-emerges-medical-device-tax-off-table

if the reports are true that a only small minority of republicans wanted the shutdown in the first place it kinda stands to reason that prob boehners job isnt in danger from bringing the clean cr to the floor, unless theyre just sick of his shit generally

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 7m
So GOP interest group that wants delay of medical device tax loses, but Dem interest group that wants delay of Cadillac tax wins?

Larison sums up the Ericksons of the world rather well:

It is most of what is wrong with movement conservatism summed up in one short post: lie to your audience, evade responsibility for failure, and then urge people to throw their money away to fund more of the same “activism” that helped create the current mess.

it's so cool that he shut down the govt for 2 weeks so that he could extend his role as house speaker by 2 weeks

^^^this

Boehner's such a fuckwad

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 1m
The hope is that, as Sen Dem aide says, "Republicans get to say they delayed/repealed a terrible Obamacare tax."

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 1m
Labor unions that self-insure fall under the law and are thus subject to the 3-year tax. Sen Dems are pressing to delay or repeal the tax.

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 1m
So there's a 3-yr tax on insurance companies that creates pool to fund high cost of insuring people with expensive pre-existing conditions.

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 1m
ACA says everyone gets coverage -- "anyone with a bellybutton" -- even if you have a pre-existing condition.

Ryan Lizza ‏@RyanLizza 1m
Some background from Sen Dem on the so-called reinsurance tax, AKA the bellybutton tax, which Dems are seeking as part of Senate deal.

what if your pre-existing condition is not having a bellybutton?

my uncle (now deceased) used to always tell us he didn't have a bellybutton

he was killed a by a death panel