American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

You're assuming he will let such proposals get a vote. Plus, the longer he fights the more credibility he gets from the folks who earlier might have wanted a different House speaker. Republicans just keep pushing no matter what. They may still be able to get Obama to push Dems to vote with them on "entitlement reform" and as noted upthread, everytime Obama rephrases the issues his interpretation ends up giving more legitimacy to the Republicans take. Meanwhile immigration reform and gun control are gone from the media discussion, and things like raising capital gains rates to the same or close to income tax rates, and other tax reform ideas that bring in revenue never get mentioned. Nor does the unemployment rate and steps that could be taken to address that.

If Boehner loses his job, whomever replaces him could be worse.

Cantor or ryan would be hilarious and even less effective speakers, ie a net gain

I dunno why you're fixated on what obama says - GOP didnt go for any of his proposals and 8f recent history is any indication final legislation is gonna come from the Senate ie Reid, who is not talking "entitlement reform" at all.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWduLWqCQAAmHhF.jpg

gamechangers

DO TREAD ON ME

house republicans on twitter definitely getting a second wind from fighting the #obamabarricades, that brief moment of 'uh oh, maybe we fucked up' might've passed. might not matter what they think since whatever bill does eventually emerge from this will be depending on dem votes in the house for most of its support.

between all the barricades getting torn down and the guy who brought his own fuel-powered spinning wheel of blades to the Lincoln Memorial, makes me wonder how much crazy nicolas cage national treasure shit's going down as the shutdown persists.

I don't get the barricades thing at all- if the government is shut down because of tea party obstructionism, then surely the shutting of the memorial was itself a consequence of their actions. so in what way is this a victory for them? How is undoing the effects of your own actions some kind of triumph, exactly? idgi

because it is using the same logic as 'keep the government out of my medicare'

because essential operations of govt are still open, and what could be more essential than wwii war memorials = obama is a an obvious muslim tyrant

also the Republicans have been trying to end this debacle for weeks, but the White House REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE.

republicans on the sunday talk shows this morning selling it as obama's shutdown also. despite the specter of 1995 they seemed to take it for granted that the press would sell the shutdown as 'both sides fault' and that the dems would cave. also probably thought this would create a referendum on obamacare (finally right?) and that the unpopularity of the program would make the shutdown popular or at least give them cover. instead obv the only effect on the numbers for obama or obamacare has been a slight move up (this despite the issues implementation has had)(which have generally been either overshadowed by the shutdown as sen. graham lamented today or, hilariously, ascribed to the shutdown).

They don't understand the notion that if you close down one national park, you have to close down all national parks. There's no way the govt would start picking and choosing which national parks are more important than others. But I guess these people can't reconcile the idea of something they like being managed by the govt, so there's a cognitive break and they just think of it as being under siege rather than shutdown as a result of their own actions?

Keeping the ww2 memorial open IS a critical service. Otherwise how would these people be able to reassure themselves that they are patriots who approve of a war they never fought in or probably even remotely understand

A war a socialist president led us into

"Keeping the ww2 memorial open IS a critical service. Otherwise how would these people be able to reassure themselves that they are patriots who approve of a war they never fought in or probably even remotely understand"

can I use these lines

Sure

Feel free to correct my mangled grammar while yr at it

ted cruz wearing his bogus populist carharrt jacket is a disgrace imo

haha the carhart is such a classic prop

http://www.beldar.org/beldarblog/2004/10/kerry_pumpkin.jpg

@SarahPalinUSA: This is the image of the day in D.C. This is what valor looks like. This wounded vet carried a “barrycade” from... http://t.co/WkYd0dgwNl

barrycade

Someone wounded in combat being exploited by powerhungry media-whore demagogues is what today is all about, apparently.

yup

also he has a segway

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01568/ranch_1568397c.jpg
http://kevin.footefamily.net/images/carhart_palin.jpg
http://media.salon.com/2012/04/scott_brown-460x307.jpg
http://www.dallasvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Perry3.jpg

Reid better keep Schumer quiet from now on:

“That was one place where the House Republicans and the president were not, you know, at total loggerheads,” Schumer said, suggesting that a deal could be cut if Republicans would consider new revenue along with cuts to entitlement programs.

no professional politician thinks the republicans will agree to 'new revenue' do they

Nearly as many as the ones who believed dems would sign on to defund ACA

ha no way

NRO hasn't posted photos or breathless updates regarding yesterday's WWII memorial ralley: the one Robert Costa thought was a "game changer." Wonder why.

our nation's hungry children can tightern their belts and eat their bootstraps; our nation's veterans must be able to kiss the wwii memorial if they want

@SarahPalinUSA: This is the image of the day in D.C. This is what valor looks like. This wounded vet carried a “barrycade” from..

I think "Barrycaid" could have been as popular as "Obamacare"

valor. wtf. i think we're seeing the rise of a legit fascist movement in america.

Fuck Sarah Palin and her army of illiterate nutters.

kinda funny how this rather major fuckup is happening during the shutdown so no one is paying attention http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/politics/from-the-start-signs-of-trouble-at-health-portal.html

So if Feds have to push coverage mandate date back due to shitty system, that's a victory for Cruz, wolverines, and freedom right? We go straight to the real repeal battle from there.

there is no real repeal battle

vets march organizers pissed their event turned into freakshow:

http://1mvetmarch.wordpress.com/

Pushing mandate back a little bit while they work out the bugs seems like an OK compromise, tbh.

well they still have a couple months

what are the bugs? the website doesn't work quickly enough?

often doesnt work at all

Instead of giving you insurance it automatically assigns you to a death panel

Xpost

no, thats what its supposed to do

Really screws up the plan to grow the risk pool

Many users of the federal exchange were stuck at square one. A New York Times researcher, for instance, managed to register at 6 a.m. on Oct. 1. But despite more than 40 attempts over the next 11 days, she was never able to log in. Her last attempts led her to a blank screen.

this is like when GTA online doesn't work for the first few weeks for everyone bc too many ppl are trying to play at once but over the next 6 months presumably everyone will get to login and create a character?

yeah prob