American Politics Thread 2013: I'm a cool Rodham grandma in the USA

I'm thinking that the dems getting all aggressive trying to negotiate on the sequester may be a bit of an overreach. They need to focus on the clean CR and leave it at that for now.

well they need to open the government back up and that requires an agreement on spending levels so << actually not sure this is true feel free to explain

There seems to be enough agreement on the current spending levels to get them to pass the house if a vote were allowed. Not so for pre- sequester levels. Boehner will eventually allow a vote if he can frame it as something other than a major humiliation. Talks around ending the sequester at this point would cross way into humiliation territory.

any CR that's shorter than a year is bullshit.

No matter what the outcome, I guarantee you boehner will be humiliated

Negotiations at this point are basically about finding a way to minimize the humiliation. If the dems decide it's now time to turn the screws, they run the risk of messing that up.

when will there be a better time to turn the screws reestablish normal government spending

That's all the negotiations were ever about. The longer this drags on the more leverage the dems have, so it's not going to get minimized, it's going to get worse for everyone's favorite drunken oompa loompa

After the government re-opens

Once the gov't reopens the dems don't have as much leverage and are back to square one. They are right to press the advantage now.

No matter what the outcome, I guarantee you boehner will be humiliated

― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Su

He will still likely get sequester level spending, not sure that's too humiliating

this dude gets humiliated on the regular, it just gives him more cred with "serious" people afaict.

i mean, his bully is eric fucking cantor, who wouldn't feel bad about that

It looks more and more likely that whatever passes will not get a GOP majority in the House, which will be pretty humiliating. If he loses his job that's a bonus.

You're assuming he will let such proposals get a vote. Plus, the longer he fights the more credibility he gets from the folks who earlier might have wanted a different House speaker. Republicans just keep pushing no matter what. They may still be able to get Obama to push Dems to vote with them on "entitlement reform" and as noted upthread, everytime Obama rephrases the issues his interpretation ends up giving more legitimacy to the Republicans take. Meanwhile immigration reform and gun control are gone from the media discussion, and things like raising capital gains rates to the same or close to income tax rates, and other tax reform ideas that bring in revenue never get mentioned. Nor does the unemployment rate and steps that could be taken to address that.

If Boehner loses his job, whomever replaces him could be worse.

Cantor or ryan would be hilarious and even less effective speakers, ie a net gain

I dunno why you're fixated on what obama says - GOP didnt go for any of his proposals and 8f recent history is any indication final legislation is gonna come from the Senate ie Reid, who is not talking "entitlement reform" at all.

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gamechangers

DO TREAD ON ME

house republicans on twitter definitely getting a second wind from fighting the #obamabarricades, that brief moment of 'uh oh, maybe we fucked up' might've passed. might not matter what they think since whatever bill does eventually emerge from this will be depending on dem votes in the house for most of its support.

between all the barricades getting torn down and the guy who brought his own fuel-powered spinning wheel of blades to the Lincoln Memorial, makes me wonder how much crazy nicolas cage national treasure shit's going down as the shutdown persists.

I don't get the barricades thing at all- if the government is shut down because of tea party obstructionism, then surely the shutting of the memorial was itself a consequence of their actions. so in what way is this a victory for them? How is undoing the effects of your own actions some kind of triumph, exactly? idgi

because it is using the same logic as 'keep the government out of my medicare'

because essential operations of govt are still open, and what could be more essential than wwii war memorials = obama is a an obvious muslim tyrant

also the Republicans have been trying to end this debacle for weeks, but the White House REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE.

republicans on the sunday talk shows this morning selling it as obama's shutdown also. despite the specter of 1995 they seemed to take it for granted that the press would sell the shutdown as 'both sides fault' and that the dems would cave. also probably thought this would create a referendum on obamacare (finally right?) and that the unpopularity of the program would make the shutdown popular or at least give them cover. instead obv the only effect on the numbers for obama or obamacare has been a slight move up (this despite the issues implementation has had)(which have generally been either overshadowed by the shutdown as sen. graham lamented today or, hilariously, ascribed to the shutdown).

They don't understand the notion that if you close down one national park, you have to close down all national parks. There's no way the govt would start picking and choosing which national parks are more important than others. But I guess these people can't reconcile the idea of something they like being managed by the govt, so there's a cognitive break and they just think of it as being under siege rather than shutdown as a result of their own actions?

Keeping the ww2 memorial open IS a critical service. Otherwise how would these people be able to reassure themselves that they are patriots who approve of a war they never fought in or probably even remotely understand

A war a socialist president led us into

"Keeping the ww2 memorial open IS a critical service. Otherwise how would these people be able to reassure themselves that they are patriots who approve of a war they never fought in or probably even remotely understand"

can I use these lines

Sure

Feel free to correct my mangled grammar while yr at it

ted cruz wearing his bogus populist carharrt jacket is a disgrace imo

haha the carhart is such a classic prop

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@SarahPalinUSA: This is the image of the day in D.C. This is what valor looks like. This wounded vet carried a “barrycade” from... http://t.co/WkYd0dgwNl

barrycade

Someone wounded in combat being exploited by powerhungry media-whore demagogues is what today is all about, apparently.

yup

also he has a segway

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Reid better keep Schumer quiet from now on:

“That was one place where the House Republicans and the president were not, you know, at total loggerheads,” Schumer said, suggesting that a deal could be cut if Republicans would consider new revenue along with cuts to entitlement programs.

no professional politician thinks the republicans will agree to 'new revenue' do they

Nearly as many as the ones who believed dems would sign on to defund ACA

ha no way

NRO hasn't posted photos or breathless updates regarding yesterday's WWII memorial ralley: the one Robert Costa thought was a "game changer." Wonder why.

our nation's hungry children can tightern their belts and eat their bootstraps; our nation's veterans must be able to kiss the wwii memorial if they want

@SarahPalinUSA: This is the image of the day in D.C. This is what valor looks like. This wounded vet carried a “barrycade” from..

I think "Barrycaid" could have been as popular as "Obamacare"

valor. wtf. i think we're seeing the rise of a legit fascist movement in america.

Fuck Sarah Palin and her army of illiterate nutters.